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<0> No wait, I htink it was 14
<0> 14 or 16, pretty sure its 14
<0> The tragedy of governemnt here, in Mexico and in other places is the solution exists
<0> you know who put chavez in power ?
<0> People who voted ho lived in Plywood villages
<0> Desperately poor people
<0> With .5 the money we spend on global warming a year which does little to nothing for the problem if it exists we could solver all of the poverty problems in the world
<0> And then they wouldnt elect ***holes like Chavez
<0> This is one area where some people on the left do have a clue I dont know if they do for the right reasons, but a society can nto afford a large cl*** of extremely poor people along side a lot of wealthy people or democracy will get even.
<0> Also rebelliions and such people are more open to communist rebellions and that type of thing
<0> But America doesnt have that problem
<0> My point is in Venezuela its WHY ChaVEZ WAS elected and held power
<0> he has the poor vote
<0> he has the people living in carboard homes vote
<0> thats his contituency
<0> And they are hopeless so any promise is for them seomthing
<0> And if an enemy be created like hte USA to falsely blame it one all the more powerful
<0> one =on
<0> And chavez has done exactly that along wiht his bolivian tyrant friend.
<1> wow. . i haven't seen this much typing from you in months FT :-)
<0> They have taken advantage of the deperation, stupidity and anger of the poor.. who are willing to do anything to have a better life which they probably wont get
<2> FreeTrade who won in peru
<0> Msd, Im off an on ;) I just finished a lot of work so Im on a rant.
<0> I dont rant as often as I used to ;)
<0> Gopp I dont know who won in Peru
<2> FreeTrade chavez got many cuban to vote for him
<2> illegall
<2> with fake id of venezula
<2> and the ingorant poor
<2> it is fact
<2> look it up
<0> Gopp, I wouldnt be surprised, the irony is the bolivian military likes us, I am surprised there has been no coup attempt yet
<0> You know there was a half ***ed coup attempt in Venezuela.
<0> It failed ultimately
<0> and he blamed the USA for it..
<2> FreeTrade did you read what the head of one biggest medical college or univeristy in boliva said
<2> about morales
<0> We didnt do it but we didnt discourage it thats for sure
<0> Nro should we have discouraged it
<2> FreeTrade I need to know who won in peru
<2> I want to know if it was the chavez supported one
<2> or alan garcia
<2> both are leftist
<0> In fact we should of made sure it worked, but our history with US aided coup's is that they come back to bite us hard in the ***.
<2> ones a center of left and one is leftist
<0> And world opinion of us suffers, and we do need at least some allies in the world.
<2> FreeTrade recall bay of pigs
<2> or the milltary coup to take chavez
<2> never worked
<3> Garcia
<2> alan garcia
<3> all one has to do is Google it
<0> Gopp sure, Eisenhowers plan that Kenenedy changed at the last minute and was an utter failure.
<3> no jerry garcia
<0> Eisenhower was a brilliant general
<0> Wby would JFK Change his plans ?
<0> JFK is not a military strategist.
<2> FreeTrade why did kenendy change the plan
<0> But anyway thats at least one reason it failed.
<0> Gopp I dont know
<0> I forget
<2> I read about why
<2> but it was going to fail anyway
<2> becuase all the media was speaking about it
<0> I knew his thinking once on the matter but I have forgotten it.
<2> becuase all the media was speaking about it and fidel new about it
<2> but if with aid of the usa
<2> it would of worked
<2> FreeTrade I just came from cuban day parade
<2> the new exile
<2> are not the same like those who left 47 years ago
<0> wiretap the problem is after you have used morphine long enough it will stop getting you high, and thats when people usually overdose and die of respiratory failure.
<0> Sorry just commenting on your host n ame ;)
<2> FreeTrade if the chavez backed persident wins
<2> in peru
<2> it trouble
<2> for the usa
<3> Humala
<2> yea
<3> he is losing
<2> good
<0> Gopp, Then we have 4 nations to the south who are hostile to the US
<2> FreeTrade but last week humla
<4> how long have you been using morphine for, freetrade?
<2> told chavez to go **** himself
<2> stop running my chance to win
<0> Chavez went to Opec to ask all the arab ministers and others to reduce production to punish the USA>
<0> They all ignored him
<2> cuz chavez is on south american tv saying he wants humula to win
<2> is chavez crazy
<0> We have spent decades developing relationships with these arab ministers and others.
<2> FreeTrade thier a boycot of citgo
<2> from the usa
<0> And this is the thing people dont get when they right off our arab relationships as being evil.
<0> ne need them
<2> some american are boycoting citgo
<5> FreeTrade I don't use morphine its just a bnc lol
<5> I've never used morphine before in my life
<0> Frankly we need them worse than we need Israel I hate to say but on a pragmatic level and a purely selfish interest level its the truth.
<5> I have used derivatives of morphine though heh
<2> FreeTrade didn't know this of chavez
<2> hahaha
<0> The good thing is we dont have to pick between the Arabs and Israel we can be allies to both
<0> which is what we should be
<4> ahem, get real
<2> so humula is lossing that good
<4> ahem
<2> ahem
<2> amen
<0> but when I hear people in here talk about cutting off all ties to Arabs I think Man these people are clueless
<4> There's going to be a world war against arabs.
<0> Dwayne no there will not be.
<4> are you a betting man?
<0> Of course I am
<0> But first of all lets examine your premises
<0> first of all I bet you think most muslims are arab ?
<0> Am I correct ?
<4> you think youll still be on irc in 2010? if so.... i bet therell be what is generally recognised as a world war against arabs by then
<0> first of all I bet you think most muslims are arab ?
<0> Am I correct ?
<4> no im not, but it will escalate from a religious war to a race war
<0> Yes or no
<2> who was the jewish member of the sumpre court?
<0> What %
<0> Guess
<3> ginsberg
<0> What percent of muslims are arabs
<3> ruth bader
<0> ?
<2> how many degree are in act intercepted by angle foremed by a tangent
<0> Do you know ?
<0> OK let me tell you
<0> 15%
<4> i wouldnt say extremely high
<0> No
<0> extremely low
<4> none of this goes against my claim
<2> frederick dougl*** lecutred widely on?
<0> See you dont even start off with the right premises or facts
<0> Sure it does
<2> if you bend a rasberry bcah and burry part of it a burried ud can produce
<0> Jordan and Egypt are enemies or not ?
<0> Answer
<0> ?
<0> NO Answer ?
<0> Thye are not.
<0> Ok, The New Iraq ? Friend or enemy ?
<0> Morroco, Friend or enemy ?
<4> the 'war against arabs'/'war against muslims' is not targeted at these people - theyre just the excuse, the premise, for the war. hence, its not necessary that the ostensible grounds be entirely accurate, because they are just illusory. these premises are there to keep the majority of the simple people happy - people who dont want to have to deal with the harsh realities our world is facing
<0> Saudi Arabia Friend or enemy ?
<4> enemy
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