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<0> and on what vehicle can you not find a fuse or relay to pull to turn off abs?
<1> depending on how hard you brake
<2> wind: that is not the same as not having ABS in the first place
<0> US-Male: hence the whole reason abs exists in the first place
<1> which means you might have a head-on collision instead of a sideswipe
<3> Having the power at the tires under the motor is a great idea.
<1> windopain: yes but ABS does not prevent all skids on ice
<3> ABS is for noobs.
<1> you can skid with ABS on ice
<0> no, of course not
<2> wind: for example, in most cars with ABS, the abs computer also controls the proportioning valve.. without that, yea
<0> Lup|ne: pull the computer too
<2> it'll all be ****ed up
<4> Lup|ne well, it won Tour Del Sol over-all competition last year
<4> Lup|ne and looks like it may win again this year
<2> wind: and then replace the entire system with a mechanical system..
<4> So, other than the utter lack of lugguage space... it's the real deal :P
<2> kobushi: do not know what that is.. which race course is that held at? Watkins Glen? Road Atlanta?
<0> Lup|ne: so without the computer control of the proportioning valve what becomes the problem?
<5> KoBushi: which car?
<4> Lup|ne it's an alternative fuel vehicle contest held on public roadways
<2> wind: just about everything in a non ABS system is different from one with ABS
<4> as for performance racing, I don't think it's competed yet
<2> kobushi: oh, so its not a real race course
<1> "40 States Re-Examining Eminent Domain By ROBERT TANNER LONG BRANCH, N.J. (AP) - The city wants Anna DeFaria's home, and if she doesn't sell willingly, officials are going to take it from the 80-year-old retired pre-school teacher."
<2> KoBushi: Probably get back into racing at Sebring this spring.. depends alot on scheduling
<1> 40 states, good
<4> Lup|ne no it's not a paticular course/etc basically a race for fuel economy with the lowest time giving more points
<0> Lup|ne: i can think of several things off the top of my head that aren't different, so if you don't have an answer to the last question just say you don't kno
<5> US-Male: good
<6> yeah, thats messed up US-Male. Corporate Facism at its ****ing finest
<5> US-Male: at least some good may come out of this
<4> over a 500mi range
<1> should be 50
<2> Wundopain: well, the master cylinder is totally different, all the proporiting valves between the four wheels are different.. not to mention you have the control-valves of the ABS
<1> I hope 10 had it right to begin with
<0> Lup|ne: and without computer control, what would the problem be?
<2> window: well, you won't get full brake boost available.. the brake profile at the pedal is all ****ed up.. you have substantial reduction of brake "feel" thru the pedal.. and you have no proportining of brake force between the four tires
<2> you can't take a regular braking system, just add the ABS computer.. and whalla have the ABS brakes
<6> the city taking property to create wider public roads is one thing but to take property for private development or for privately funded toll roads is nothing more than theft.
<1> dammit
<2> all those electornic valves and pulps now sit doing nothing.. and there is no mechanical system inline to do the necessary job
<1> "The high court, in its ruling, also noted that states are free to ban that practice - and legislators around the country are thinking about whether they should do just that. New Jersey state Sen. Diane Allen, with bipartisan support, is pushing for a two-year ban on all eminent domain actions and for a bipartisan study group to re-examine its use in New Jersey."
<7> just put a hole in the floor of the car and stop it with your feet
<0> Lup|ne: so each tire gets a "random" amount of brake force?
<1> "After the court ruling, four states p***ed laws reining in eminent domain. Roughly another 40 are considering legislation. In Congress, the House voted to deny federal funds to any project that used eminent domain to benefit a private development, and a federal study aims to examine how widely it is used."
<2> wind: that would depend on the specific setting of teh valve when power is cut
<0> reduction of feel just seems like something that would require someone who can feel better
<2> wind: you NEED a proportioning valve.. because the brake power distribution at 5mph is a hell of alot different than at 50mph
<2> naw.. brake feel is very important in a non ABS system
<2> on most cars with ABS, it turns to shere mud.. no feedback at all
<0> ahh no feedback and reduced read different
<1> I think ABS kind of "pumps the brakes" for you, but really fast
<2> not to mention that brake distribution changes with steering
<1> so you have to hit the brakes kinda hard for it to work
<2> US: yes/no. they gimmick the response in most cars.. to physically jerk the brake pedal
<2> which leads to accidents.. especially if you are turning.. upsets the whole weight balance transfer of a car
<2> even on porsche's etc with ABS.. TOTALLY different setup than what you get on a honda
<0> so master cylinders of older cars proportioned brake power depending on steering and speed ?
<1> on mine, I can feel it oscillating
<1> when it kicks in
<2> wind: No, that was a seperate part
<8> you guys are still talking about abs?
<2> US: yes/no. it *intentionally* does that to "alert" the driver..
<0> interesting
<1> and it makes a high pitched squeal, not very loud
<2> wind: now, if there was a way to turn off the "abs pulsing", but keep all the other stuff active...
<4> on cheap cars you can feel AND hear the ABS come in
<4> ie: Dodge Neons
<1> Lup|ne: mine definitely does it
<2> KoB: yep.. hell, you can watch your knee shake from it!
<4> it sounds like a rumble strip on the side of the highway :)
<0> i'm sure it can be done on the CAN
<6> eminent domain only applies to projects involving creation of public Right-Of-Way. any idiot can see that using it for private projects is just a way of using the local, state, or federal government to aid in an action of theft by corporate facists.
<4> in contrast, more smooth ABS systems are almost unnoticable; like on my Insight
<0> i'm just suprised w/o the computer that the braking is so non-redundant safe
<4> however, the Insight uses electric ***ist brakes; so it doesn't loose the braking feel
<2> win: well, most cars wont even RUN without the computers on
<1> all it takes it a corrupt city official. It's a given that there will always be a ready supply of corrupt private citizens
<2> win: but in reality, it is due to cost that they do not
<6> they are so out of contol that a "high court" has to get involved
<1> the city official is supposed to be the gateway
<4> By 2007 most new cars will not only have electric ***ist brakes... but won't even have hydraulic fluid
<2> FEMA: and of course, the highcourt ****ed the ball
<4> they'll have worm drive electric brakes :)
<0> well yea, everything comes down to cost in manufacturing
<4> er, most NEW cars, I mean
<2> Kobushi: heh, I drove a MB at a driving event with that brake ***ist.. scary ****ing ****
<2> Kobushi: made me "crash" outside the cones :(
<6> Us-Male, hook a brotha up with a url
<0> KoBushi: eh all good news to EEs
<8> who cares about brakes
<1> ok one sec
<4> windopain good news to mechanics to... no more bleeding brakes
<8> lets invest in ethanol
<5> no
<5> not profitable
<9> Sure it is
<1> http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001%2F20060205%2F1348357850.htm&sc=1333&photoid=20060204CR104&ewp=ewp_news_0206eminent_domain
<6> k, thanks
<9> Easy money
<8> it will be if we invest in it
<0> more energy to produce than you get out, isn't it?
<5> besides, i'd be tempted to drink my investment
<8> and hydrogen
<9> I know some people in Nebraska that are making money hand over fist in ethanol.
<9> Millions
<5> i have plenty of ethanol in my liquor cabinet
<4> there are som new microbial production methods for ethanol production becomming available
<9> Hydrogen is even better, but not as far along as ethanol.
<4> Supposed to drastically increase the efficiency of producing ethanol
<5> whatever, let me know in a couple decades when it becomes profitable
<9> KoBushi, you can do that with hydrogen too
<5> for now, i'll stick with big oil
<6> biodiesel and used cooking oils from fast food places are more available, sustainable and make ya far less dependent on large corporate infractures.
<9> panini, I just told you, they are making millions with ethanol now.
<8> a porsche equipped to run ethanol would be profitable
<9> panini, my business partner has relatives in Nebraska.
<6> but who wants to live in Kokomo, Nebraska?
<4> FEMA except that you no have to compete with those corporations to buy that used cooking oil
<9> FEMA, the people making millions, apparently.
<8> if we could squeeze 200 HP out of an ethanol engine it would be profitable
<4> FEMA many of th restraunts in my area sell thier used oil to one of a few companies. and the McD's are al under contract
<10> We need to find a way to convert garbage into a fuel sources
<4> al->all
<10> no shortage of garbage
<9> Katey-, they have been doing that too, pellets
<4> Katey- there already is; most garbage in land fills generates methane... mthane can be used to run generators
<6> yeah, but mcdonalds is only one of many fast food chains
<9> Yeah, methane is out there too
<10> KoBushi, why isn't it used more?
<4> FEMA sure, but most of them around my area are already selling it to other companies, you can't jut g get it for free
<4> Katey- because it is a very $ initial setup
<10> KoBushi, NYC literally pays other states to cart its garbage away and put it in landfills
<10> Ah
<10> I see
<6> no, you can't get it for free in most places.
<11> KoBushi: sure is a turnaround from just a few years ago when they used to pay someone to haul it off.
<11> My, how markets change.
<4> Katey- same with anerobic digestors... can make tons of power from them, is better for local environment, and the smell... but it's $ to setup and maintain
<4> DiscoTaco hehe yeah
<4> Katey- and most farmers don't have the expertese or the desire to do it (AD that is)
<10> Be nice to see some federal grant money going to localities to get it set up
<11> My parents live half a mile from a big-*** landfill. Man, it sure ****s on days when they're downwind from that place.
<6> well, methane has to be compressed to be usable and there is a lot of legislation surrounding the processing, storage and transportation of compress gases.
<10> DiscoTaco, sounds like West Point, VA
<4> FEMA yeah but if it is all done on-site, that's really a nonissue... other than the $ of the equipment and maintinance as I said
<10> The paper mill there makes an ungodly stink
<10> stinks up the entire town
<8> is their oil on other planets?
<10> ok. I'm out. ttyl.
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