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<0> Guest27 pdf docs cannot be altered later, keep in mind
<1> As much as I love Bush, I wish he'd drink a little more
<2> nharris: bush doesn't drink beer, he's a east coast liberal scotch type
<1> pdf's can be read by anybody though
<3> hahah
<3> but he's a texas landowner
<2> Born in New Haven CN
<4> I'm ambivalent about Bush and Democrats too. Whatever, you know.
<5> nharris, I know they can open a beer can, and that is the sad part. Their brains are working pretty good, but the choosen it not to work when debate is about Iraq or Bush.
<1> the average person can't read a Framemaker or Indesign Document
<2> Spent childhood summers in Kennebunkport MN
<6> Much less are we to remember that Hamas terrorists occupied and desecrated the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem in a globally televised charade
<6> Who remembers that
<3> GWB actually spent a bit of his life in Compton, CA!
<2> REAL texans don't go to Maine for vacations
<6> Who remembers Christians burning down Arab emb***ies
<1> Plus PDFs prevent Forgery
<4> I am so tired of hearing about Israel. I've heard all the arguments.
<2> fordnut: the crusades?
<3> true.. most texans despise the northeast
<0> How did he end up in Texas, btw? Isn't he actually from Maine or did his father have a ranch in Texas also before?
<5> Guest27, how the heck does pdf prevent forgery?
<6> jhicks: 2004
<2> fordnut: you said "remember" :)
<3> if you have acrobat full, you can edit pdfs
<0> nharris oh really?
<0> that's good to know
<1> just set the PDF to high security and it prevents it from being changed, even if you have Acrobat Full
<3> full is costly though.. like $300
<2> bah, TeX works great
<0> that's ok actually, i wont be the one paying for it
<2> pdftex works
<6> ohh heres a good one
<6> the Muslim Middle East can insist on one standard of behavior for itself and quite another for others. It asks nothing of its own people and everything of everyone else's, while expecting no serious repercussions in the age of political correctness, in which affluent and leisured Westerners are frantic to avoid any disruption in their rather sheltered lives.
<1> tex?
<2> TeX
<4> fordnut, are you a bot?
<6> yes
<0> i thot pdf stood for protected document file .... no? Purpose is so that it cannot be messed with.
<6> resistance is futile
<2> fordnut is coded in ruby
<4> that explains it.
<5> There are no problems changing pdf's. The net is full of editors that can do. And even with acrobat full it's possible, if you only go though a html conversion
<3> I sent my drawing of Mohammed dancing with Richard Simmons to Al Jazerra. I think they're going to sign me on to be a contract cartoonist!
<1> Acrobat PRO is worth it if you run a business, or if you're a graphic designer
<4> ruby.net -- or whatever flavor of the week is.
<2> ke6i: the .net part was kinda harsh
<0> nharris are you serious?
<3> hehehe no
<3> just trying to join the riots and fires in Denmark
<2> friggin danishes
<4> war on cartoons.
<5> the only thing pdf is good for is to view the start of a doc while downloading in browser. For all the rest options, there are better alternatives
<1> not if the document is complicated with various fonts and font sizes, page layout, graphics and colors, these are difficult to change
<4> War on cartoons may be unwinnable...
<2> I use display pdf
<3> PDF's take a 30Kb word document and turn it into a 2Mb document. I guess the benefit (at that huge expense) is that the recipient can read it with a free download of acrobat reader
<4> Mostly I think formatting just gets in the way. Would rather just see text and print it out. (Though I'm old school)
<2> nharris: PDF is a programming language
<5> nharris, hehe, don't overdo it
<1> I don't think an html conversion would render the document perfectly
<3> Portable Document Format?
<2> yes
<0> well, it is good to know about pdf full or whatever it is. I think I know someone that can use that.
<2> you can write programs in PDF
<3> eenteresting..
<2> PostScript was the same way
<0> should be too, dont you think?
<5> PS chould be an alternative if it was free
<5> free as in open source and open format
<2> ghostscript works
<5> nah
<2> sure it does
<5> nah
<1> text formating makes the document more enjoyable, and hence easier to read
<2> does 2
<5> nah
<4> Imo, not everything needs to be a programming language. This just makes security painful, and is only useful to virus programmers too often.
<2> programmitic representations can be very compact though
<6> There are no scientific discoveries emanating from a Cairo or Damascus. It is tragic and perhaps insensitive, but nevertheless honest, to confess that the contemporary Arab world has lately given the world only two new developments: the suicide-bomb belt and the improvised explosive device
<2> I miss turtle graphics :(
<1> why are you using 4 spaces after every sentence ke6i?
<3> hackers need to be dragged by their pimply gonads behind trucks to inspire them to never write another virus
<4> four spaces?
<4> did I use four spaces that time?
<0> Didn't Martha Stewart try to get one of her staff, her housekeeper I think, try to change an e-mail in her account?
<4> Maybe bug in x-chat?
<1> seems like 4 or three?
<2> nharris: that's a bad use of the term "hackers"
<6> The technology for both is imported from the West. And the very tactic arises out of a desperate admission that to fight a conventional battle against a Westernized military without the cover of civilian shields, whether in Israel or Baghdad, is tantamount to suicide.
<3> yeah..I'm going with the defacto standard definition. I realize some will argue a hacker is a computer enthusiast
<2> fordnut: but arabic numbers are imported from ...
<0> There is a tool called "tracer" you can turn on in MSWord and it will bring up all the deletions with lines drawn through them in you finished text product.
<6> jhicks: name something in the last oh.. milennia
<2> fordnut: palm dates
<4> Arabs are a defeated people.
<6> lol
<2> fordnut: surgery too actually
<6> unfortunately arabs did not invent palm dates
<1> Arabs are still the sons of Abraham
<4> They've been oppressed by bigger powers since, gawd, awhile. Turks and Iranians...
<1> But not Ibrahim
<2> no but we buy a lot of them
<2> personally, i can't stand them.
<6> Guest27, yeah, the illegitmate son of Abrahams maidservant
<1> you are using bad typography ke6i
<4> Oppressed peoples do not invent stuff, usually.
<4> maybe is bug in X-chat?
<4> can switch to ircii?
<1> you should only use one space after a sentence
<6> Guest27, unless you are an arab, then you believe the evil Jews wrote the bible, and therefore switched the stories
<6> it was really Jacob that was the bastard child
<6> not Ismael
<4> Well it's all a big myth anyway.
<1> Two spaces after a sentence is for manual typewriters, not electronic typing.
<6> right
<6> what year is it ke6i
<2> fordnut: and what other name is Jacob referred as?
<6> jhicks: Israel
<6> next
<2> And so who are "the children of Israel"
<6> lets see
<2> descendents of Jacob!
<6> that would be.. no wait
<6> I got this one!!
<4> Buddha said nothing about Israel -- far as I know...
<6> damn
<6> you beat me to it
<1> the children of Israel are the Jews
<6> thank you, dan rather
<6> for the update
<2> NOT many Russians claiming lineage
<1> But the Children of Abrahm are BOTH Arabs and Jews
<6> ke6i, what year is it
<4> what is the capital of ***yria?
<2> Guest27: according to the mythology, yes
<6> ke6i, boston?
<6> no
<6> detroit!
<1> But Arabs are like Kane to the Israeli Ables
<2> bwahaha
<0> mythology?
<4> Blame it on Cain
<2> mythology.
<1> it's truth
<2> and what is truth?
<4> Mythology is truth I guess.
<6> uhh
<6> what is the definition of myth
<6> this guy doesnt know what year it is
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