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Comments:
<0> SweetLeaf -- be pretty cushy ehh
<1> he solved problems, he created others
<2> kaliuna: Seriously though, that pride issue with old people and jobs is a problem I think
<3> viva Reagan !
<1> i dont think he ever understood what he was really doing
<1> heh
<4> US-Male, Viva Reagan indeed
<5> I have some faults with Ronny boy...
<4> US-Male, If only we had more Republicans like Reagan
<3> may the power of Reagan compel you !
<5> he shafted the farmers in 1984...
<0> VemoD -- yes it is a problem, not with old people but with the idea they are entitled to the job for life --
<5> he visited Bitburg...
<1> he was certainly a decent president
<6> ya man you could tell the boss to **** off everyday and get away with it heh
<1> but no political genius
<7> Herzen: people committ crimes when they run out of money for food, shelter, health care, etc -- you want government to solve all that?
<7> maybe we should ban money next.
<5> My mom refused to step inside that place
<7> save us from crime!
<8> Reagan would be on the one dollar bill if he had a Republkican congress
<7> ban anything that people commit crime for!
<1> people call GWB "stupid", but he's smarter than Reagan
<2> kaliuna: yeah, and its like them and driving....why would anyone give something good up for the sake of others....
<5> dad was not allowed to take any pics
<4> occ, unless you're all about the drug legalization, then there hasn't been a good present for over 100 years
<6> I voted for Reagan twice even when I smoke pot heh
<4> occ, well over 100
<9> Herzen, if you concern is drug related crimes and not preventation of use, then, obviously you'd support legalization to remove the profit motive and all that crime that encourages
<7> Herzen: i work for a living, i don't rob people, so why punish my freedom?
<3> that's why he was good .... "political genius" means 'sneaky dishonest ***hole'
<1> there've been plenty of good presidents in the last 100 years
<3> I don't want any "political genius" in office
<1> all depending, yes, on what criteria we judge them on
<6> I am still a pot smoker and I voted for bush twice
<5> Reagan was intelligent...but his man skill was ...in front of the Camera
<1> nixon was probably a genius
<1> but he still ****ed himself
<0> VemoD -- socialims at its worst -- why should anyone be promised a job for life - when they are slackers at the jobs
<5> US_Male...well put
<6> when I was drafted I was a pot head
<3> but Nixon was no "political" genius
<5> Sweet..you in the Nam?
<10> I am not sure America was better off during alcohol prohibition. People who drank continued to drink but there was more organized crime. I am sure about the effects of the current pot prohibition.
<4> Cryolas, the same **** you attack me for is considered reasonable policy by Republicans and mainstream America
<1> carter was likely extremely intelligent, but universally considered a poor president
<8> Stalin was likely smarter than Reagan but what of it?
<3> although he was sneaky and dishonest
<3> and an a-hole
<6> was going but got sent to korea instead
<3> but he got caught !
<6> Nixon saved me
<1> ford was goofy, but not stupid
<7> Herzen: republicans have lost their way, f'em
<2> Kaliuna: Although, if its true you get wiser with age...and less selfish. Then the old people are just ***holes...they sit and bitch about the youth of today, but they refuse to take *any* blame
<3> therefore not a genius
<11> how did nixon **** himself?
<5> The Republicans profit off of the war on drugs...same as the dems..
<12> Highly intelligent presidents tend to end up failures, Wilson, Hoover, Nixon, Carter
<1> mostly by taping incriminating crap, lamont
<5> they get to steal property left an right
<1> and also by thinking Watergate was a good idea
<5> think of it as pigs at the trough
<1> what a foolish thing to do
<8> bbl
<3> no real political genius saves incriminating tapes
<12> Nixon would have never allowed Watergate if he'd known about it
<1> tis true
<5> brb
<0> VemoD -- you do realize I am older than many here -- and I blame the schools for alot of the mess I seewith younger groups
<7> Kate Moss is scum according to herzen :)
<3> although Nixon does meet teh "sneak disohest ***hole" criteria
<4> Who the hell is Kate Moss?
<1> who was the president who most exemplified "genius"?
<1> its a tough question
<13> kate moss is amazing :))
<1> very few are even in the running
<9> Nixon definitely knew about Watergate before it happened
<14> herzen a model who uses cocaine
<7> Herzen: just a scumbag druguser.
<12> Lockeian, and on what do you base that supposition?
<11> watergate? you're going on about watergate? ffs! watergate was NOTHING! watergate was simply the moment when state power that had been used against the powerless was suddenly used against the powerful and nixon suffered as a result
<4> redfish, why would I be impressed by a model? lol
<14> i dont know
<15> JFK also a scumbbag drug user
<4> redfish, I agree, thats pretty stupid
<6> well nixon did what he did and clinton did what he did and carter did what he didnt do etc.
<15> same with many of the most influential people throughout history
<11> watergate was nothing, you want a real crime, go look up COINTELPRO or Fred Hampton
<7> Pretty sure Clinton & Bush were scumbag drugusers?
<1> lots of people like JFK justified it because it was prescription-drug abuse
<1> cl***ic fallacy
<9> Nixon also approved the break-in of Daniel Ellesberg psychiatrist's office
<4> Clinton was a sleaze but for different reasons
<1> hmm, i actually cant think of a single president who was really genius-level
<4> and Bush, Bush stopped doing drugs 30 years ago and has come out against it strongly, hes even stopped drinking
<0> Harzen - was? he still is - course both of them are
<15> prescription drugs are more widely abused than illicit drugs
<4> Which erases that ****
<1> bill clinton is probably the most intelligent president of the 20th century
<7> occ: Jefferson.
<1> jefferson is probably it
<4> occ, intelligent enough not to keep it in his pants
<3> the presidency doesn't require a genius
<2> Kaliuna: I didn't realize, but my dad (RIP) agreed with me @ 60....but its not like we could ever find a solution. I'm 29, how old are you grandpa? ;) j/k
<7> Possibly Madison...
<1> definitely not, US_Male
<3> above-average intelligence helps
<9> Rockfish, Magruder
<15> What does keeping it in your pants have to do with intelligence?
<15> all the means he has a healthy *** drive
<1> lincoln is an obvious guess, but its hard to tell what he was about
<1> he was pretty reserved
<0> Vemo -- well ahh its gramma! (being female) and am about 30 yrs older than you are -- and ornery too!
<2> kaliuna: Anyway he was unusually street-smart
<11> lincoln opposed the mexican-american war, so that ain't half bad
<16> clinton had a **** and he liked using it
<16> has nothing to do with his ability to be president
<1> it was embar***ingly stupid that clinton did that
<7> Lincoln might have been a genius... but i always think of him as a tyrant first.
<1> if he hadnt, his legacy would be untarnished
<1> foolish
<14> .
<0> VemoD -- thats good - being street smart and smart in other ways as well
<3> Jefferson maybe
<16> agreed but if anything i just find his "*** scandals" hilarious
<4> redfish, find it interesting how libertarians are disproportionately represented on irc?
<0> hi MrR
<15> I think history will look favoritively on the infamous blowjob
<14> occ clinton would have had looked worse if not for the scandal
<0> Herzen -- captive audience on irc
<4> wiretapp, not if society corrects where its going
<1> its hard to say
<12> Lincoln was far from a genius, he was very intelligent but not spectacularly, he worked hard
<1> it looked like clinton would go down as a national embar***ment
<14> occ you dont remember do you right before the scandal public opinion of his presidency was very low
<1> but most (myself included) look back on him fondly
<14> the scandal galvanized support behind him
<0> occ -- or jealously
<11> why exactly does this 'scandal' matter at all?
<16> occ, because most people remember the prosperity and compare him to what's happening now
<14> he so mismanaged his presidency that it caused republicans to have a landslide victory in 1994
<1> i also think GHWB got short-shrift
<14> and then clinton had to apologize for raising taxes
<3> because he was dumb enough to deny it on nationl TV and wag his finger
<16> clinton looks like jesus christ compared to the current administration
<1> he was an extremely capable man who unfortunately got caught in the bad end of the business cycle
<17> FairTax: Yes. Afterall, Lincoln started a war to destroy people's way of life (plantation slavery) and take their property (slaves) away from them.
<1> GHWB had some major potential
<7> Herzen: you talk about society in a way that seems to ignore individualism, as if society has a mind outside of each single person... i suppose in your world it does - as you would have a society controlled by a small group of what.. 'enlightened' people?
<0> ThePixies how'd you get back in?
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