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<0> panini: that's a logical fallacy. If that was the definition of a liberal, who are you using to fit the definition?
<1> panini, that definition is so broad it could be applied to nearly anyone
<0> yes
<2> somehow the term 'loyal opposition' has lost the loyal part entirely in some people's minds
<1> It doesn't get into political ideology at all
<0> veague, broad, retarded
<0> bingo
<0> <1> It doesn't get into political ideology at all
<3> we are going to get a bill p***ed that requires a IPC code on your forehead and a implant radio chip in your butt. We will call the bill the "Mom, Apple Pie, and Preserving Freedom Act of 2006"
<2> fortunately for most of us, those people aren't a huge fraction of the populace
<1> It doesn't get into the differences in approach
<0> that's the point
<4> suna for example, you fit the definition
<1> suna, indeed
<0> panini: thank you for illustrating that you're just a retarded 6th grader who coems on irc to insult people:)
<4> and so does every other person who self-identifies as a liberal
<0> absolute morality, please
<1> suna, heh
<0> you're a god damn joke of a person
<2> that's a great The Onion spoof
<1> I don't know a single soul who applies such a standard
<3> funny thing about that; people do not NEED a implant. Americans PAY to be IDed... its called a Cell Phone
<4> <0> panini: thank you for illustrating that you're just a retarded 6th grader who coems on irc to insult people:)
<0> lacking absoltue morality is a contradiction btw
<4> lol, talking about insulting people :)
<0> anyway
<3> 40-50 month to carry around your personal identity code and it lets you talk to your friends too
<4> see, you just did a very liberal thing...
<1> suna, operating upon "absolute" anything would be absurd anyway
<0> the point has been made unarguably clear
<0> liberal is undefined
<0> panini proved it
<0> thanx
<4> you resorted to insults when you lost the argument
<2> panini: they think all they need is the average standup comic's ability to scorn
<0> panini: really? what argument?
<1> suna, "liberal" means anything that panini feels like bitching about
<0> exactly katey
<4> the argument over the definition
<0> but it's not just panini
<1> deliberately vague
<1> suna, no. But he's the only one who admitted it. :)
<4> you need to read the definition more carefully
<0> panini: all one needs to do to prove that your definition is not the definition of libearl is consult a dictionary you idiot
<4> it's not vague at all
<1> panini, I think you do, actually.
<5> "In an encampment expecting daily attack from a powerful enemy, self-preservation is paramount to all law."
<5> --Thomas Jefferson
<2> perhaps he meant 'tantamount'
<4> it actually covers the the key distinguishing features of liberalism
<2> or perhaps he meant exactly what he said
<0> you just posted logical fallacy after logical fallacy. YOu say that your definition is the definition of liberal, and then you say that "liberals" in this country are fitting your definition which implies that liberal meant something else to begin with
<0> which contradicts that you posted the definition of liberal
<6> heh thats pretty wordy
<1> panini, it covers the key distinguishing features of humanity in general
<0> if i define the word chair, then of course every chair is gonna fit the definition of chair
<0> wtf kind of logic is that
<4> katey that's only because you think liberalism is the only possible political position... you can't conceive of there being an alternate
<0> whose *** did you pull that out of?
<1> panini, you haven't described any positions
<5> panini: no concept of personal freedom? scary
<4> for example, you can't imagine someone not being a collectivist/socialist
<1> panini, you've simply described humanity in general
<0> panini: you're the one who doesn't seem to understand that libearl is a political term
<4> but trust me, there are such people :)
<1> panini, of course I can. I'm not a collectivist or socialist. I don't know anyone who is.
<2> it's like the lady who said "I can't imagine how Nixon got elected, nobody I know voted for him!"
<2> it's a failure of imagination, among other things
<0> on crap I need to get to vacuming my car while it's still light out side
<0> i hate this time of year, gets dark too early
<4> katey all liberals are collectivists/socialists, and you are too.
<0> though it's getting later now
<0> I just hate that dark at 4:30 bull****
<1> panini, I am?
<0> that was going on a couple months ago
<4> perhaps you don't understand those terms
<1> panini, er...no. I'm not
<1> panini, sure I do
<7> where the **** has rusty been
<6> thats a hell of a broad brush youre painting with panini
<0> yah where has rusty been
<4> Katey, ok, what do you think those terms mean?
<7> he hasnt been in his damn channel in a while
<3> John Bernard Books (The Shootist):
<3> "I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, and I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people and I expect the same from them."
<7> its my dad and i maintaining his stupid chan
<1> panini, but you can't imagine that someone who is "liberal" doesn't fit some sort of extreme characture that exists inside your head
<1> But the fact is, most American liberals aren't collectivists or socialists
<7> DESIGNER VAGINER
<1> They're capitalists
<0> liberal is just a word panini uses for anybody who disagrees with anything he says
<0> anybody he debates with
<4> katey that is completely false
<0> anybody he doesn't like
<1> Like most other Americans
<1> panini, nope
<1> panini, it's not false
<4> sorry, but that is totally false
<1> panini, but I can understand why you think it is
<0> it's good that panini is here in a sense, because he openly admits to using libearl in the same way that most conservatives use it (though a more extreme case of it)
<1> panini, because you've already decided that "liberal" means "commie"
<7> be a capitalist off of my tax dollars, then.
<4> no, it's because you don't know the meanings of those terms
<7> feed yourself.
<1> And you don't bother to actually explore how your views differ from a typical american liberal
<7> off of = away from
<1> you've already got it "figured out"
<0> I mean you can have two clear conservatives arguing over the best way to make pancakes and one will call the other a liberal
<5> most liberals are against social security, medicare/medicaid, welfare, subsidies, etc?
<0> it's just crap
<3> Col. Michael Kirby (The Green Berets):
<3> "Out here, due process is a bullet."
<5> *blink*
<4> you believe in social security, welfare, national healthcare, prescription drugs program, minimum wages, unions
<8> lupine , those things arent 'socialist' and most conservatives arent against them either
<1> panini, if you're confused about what a "collectivist" or "socialist" is, I can paste a definition.
<5> redfish: like they're not socialist/collectivist
<4> ALL of those things are socialist/collectivist, and you support them all
<3> I know
<7> they fall in the lines of socialistic
<4> so that's proof you don't know the meaning of the terms
<7> welfare certainly does
<7> wealth redistrobution
<4> yes
<1> panini, you don't have the slightest idea what I support
<4> wealth redistribution is a key element of socialism
<1> panini, you and I have never had a civil conversation about views
<5> Personal Responsibility <---------------> Govn't responsibility.
<3> the Paris Commune was an excelelnt example. and died an awful death after a brief and rahter stupid life
<1> panini, generally you are here to troll liberals
<4> katey give me a break, your views are not secret
<1> panini, so you're not interested in what anyone's views are
<1> you haven't bothered to find out
<4> you are simply trying to escape the label of "liberal", as many do
<7> i havent had many conversations with Katey, but it doesnt take much reading to see what she's for/against
<3> in a free and open society, men compete
<0> what's more though.....is given panini's broad definition of liberal.....he's willing to ***ume he knows nearly everything there is to know about someone based on a couple of lines in an irc channel
<4> because deep down you know it's a bad thing
<3> that is the way of life
<0> I can't think of something more illogical and down right stupid than that
<1> panini, I have not problem at all with the label of lilberal
<3> any other view is nice for comforting childern but not very honest to yourself
<1> liberal*
<0> which (using panini logic) makes him fit his own definition! yay! Panini is a liberal
<9> lol
<9> carter is such a retard
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