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<0> I'm sure that will be the CAIR spin on it, don't worry.
<1> the SUV has a mind of it's own !
<2> jhicks, eh, I'm pretty capitalist actually.
<3> DENIAL!
<0> "Iranian nationals don't kill people, SUVs do!"
<3> hehe
<2> I just don't think that communism is hell in a bread basket because the ebil government told me so.
<4> P_O try a history book then
<3> It breaks down whenever more than two people are involved
<5> "He slowly came in, and I thought he was going to stop or something," sophomore Scott Wilson, a candidate, told the newspaper. "But then he sped right through."
<5> sounds like he was running people down
<3> sometimes more than one
<4> zoom zoom zoom
<5> for sure
<2> DarthBurg, all a history book would show me is that people never actually tried communism so much as used it as a vehicle to greater power.
<6> I was married to an Iranian for almost 14 years; he's a reasonable, rational, intelligent human being with a good sense of humour
<3> The damn lousy transmission jumped outta park people, sheesh
<2> I dispute that communism has ever really been tried.
<4> P_O you really should have that naivette looked at son. its gonna get you into trouble.
<3> P_O2: Thoreau tried it, got bored
<6> and a great cook
<7> P_O it will always be derailed before it can be obtained... that is the proof that it can't work.
<6> and loves cartoons and godfather movies
<2> DarthBurg, you should really learn to debate points instead of people, son.
<6> I'm just giving him his headlines here
<2> KoBushi, fair enough.
<4> P_O nice one!
<3> KoBushi: but no form of government is eternal
<6> Pickle, the guy has problems but he's hardly a terrorist, maybe that /topic could be toned down a bit
<7> jhicks and?
<4> P_O still does not change the unmitiagted fact comminism HAS been tried, and its failed, miserably, just like socialism
<2> DarthBurg, seriously, you didn't address my argument at all, you just called me naive.
<3> just an observation
<2> DarthBurg, when has communism actually been tried?
<6> "neurotic Iranian student drives SUV into crowd of students, causing minor injuries"
<3> communism has short-half life tho
<0> gloriae: Far as I'm concerned if the story and motivation is correct then it was an act of terrorism.
<3> thankfully
<4> P_O try russia, or China, or North Korea for starters.
<3> we wasted a lotta money fighting a doomed ideology
<4> P_O you can what if and nit pick it all you want, but the fact is, it don't work
<5> I think it was an act of racism
<7> P_O it's been tried lots, thre are several steps in marxist theroy... the "final stage" has never been reached, it always flops in the intermediate totalitarian state stage
<8> well P_O I am 13/19 correct
<2> DarthBurg, in all three of those examples it was simply a party trying to gain absolute power in the quickest way possible.
<8> P_O takes a survival test online periodically.....
<2> With the people's support, in a way.
<3> absolute power is kinda neat
<6> Pickle: on another note entirely, did you read Wm. F. Buckley's latest editorial at www.nationalreview.com ? He seems to have suddenly gone the way of Jimmy Carter, very strange
<8> he has to spot the cl***room shooters
<4> P_O which is precisely the flaw in Communism
<6> maybe someone was holding him hostage? or one of his family members?
<0> gloriae: I've never been a big fan of Buckley
<4> Central GOV just don't work
<3> gloriae: no, he's too smart to continue supporting this stupid "war"
<8> Darth...government = force.....
<4> CryHavoc true.
<3> he's still kick gore vidal's ***
<8> and the least amount of force to get desired results is the best approach
<3> unlike jimmy carter
<2> DarthBurg, I'm not saying that communism is flawless or better than capitalism or any of that, cause in my opinion it isn't. I just believe that people judge it a little harsher than it truely deserves.
<8> it works for IRC chat rooms..itcan work insociety
<0> Buckley is a paleocon, imo, who still thinks it's 1952 and the two biggest threats to America are weed and communism.
<2> The theory, not what it became in practice.
<9> say **** off
<3> Pickle: he's recanted on weed
<8> P_O Read "The Black Book of Communism"
<4> P_O actually, people do not judge it harsh enough. but you are certainly welcome to your opinion.
<6> Pickle: I picked up the tip from a liberal rag which tried to depict Buckley as Bush's Cronkite and claim this is The. Key. Event. as when Cronkite decided he was against the Vietnam war. the specious logical structure is Iraq: Vietnam Bush:Nixon Buckley:Cronkite
<6> idiotic
<6> irresponsible, dishonest
<7> P_O because the theory is flawed... it always resualts in what coms to be via practice :)
<8> you will see then why it is judged so 'harshly'
<3> gloriae repents
<4> P_O meanwhile here in the real world, it just doesn't work. you MIGHT factor that into your Opinion.
<2> DarthBurg, eh, I like the theory of it.
<4> P_O its a wonderful theory
<6> Pickle: I think it will turn out to be a medical problem
<8> hix...eheh
<2> DarthBurg, you might realize that I basically just said that a few lines ago.
<0> glroiae: That's a laugh. Buckley is a political antique.
<4> P_O it just doesn;t work
<8> where are the little angels??
<6> I don't like to call it senility, nor in Carter either
<3> Paleocons > Neocons
<3> Barry Goldwater for instance
<2> KoBushi, hard to tell because whenever it's been tried, so far as I know, it was always just a party trying to get power in a certain situation.
<3> Even dead he's better than Bill Kristol
<8> PaleoCons are not neoCons..not anymore
<6> but with Carter it's not as surprising, he's long been rather naive about climbing out on a limb that's about to get sawed off
<3> never were Havoc
<2> KoBushi, so it's hard to tell whether it's the starting situation that does it, or communism being applied itself.
<3> Paleocons are true conservatives
<3> Neocons are posers
<4> P_O no, thats not what you said at all.
<3> Democrats mostly
<3> Scoop Jackson Democrats
<8> Neocons are people who adopt some 'conservative' ideologies , but whose goals are not of that caliber...usually said goals they have in mind are detrimental to the USZ
<2> DarthBurg, I said that capitalism is better.
<3> yep
<8> Paleocons are GOP dinosaurs
<3> The seized the mantle of conservatism and wrecked it
<9> US Male, Did you audition yet for Brokeback Mountain lead man for the sequel ?
<4> P_O no, you said that you did not think communism was perfect. Capitlaism being better is just an inference
<1> hahah
<8> jhix yes NeoCons did
<10> haha
<1> why yeth!
<8> Captialism IS the best thing we have at the moment
<2> [13:25:27] <2> DarthBurg, I'm not saying that communism is flawless or better than capitalism or any of that, cause in my opinion it isn't. I just believe that people judge it a little harsher than it truely deserves.
<4> of course, I never accused you of saying communism is perfect, you claime dit has never been tried in its "True Form" which is a bunch of bull****.
<8> it legitimizes greed and channels it to productive use
<3> CryHavoc: I'd settle for some corruption and graft as long as I'm in the cut
<2> Read before you make claims on what I say.
<8> P_O..Communism has caused 100 million deaths
<4> P_O i did read.
<4> P_O you are awfully touchy
<3> CryHavoc: I've never been given a good opportunity to be corrupt dammit!
<8> Mao killed 20 million in 3 years
<6> I don't think capitalism is ever going to be worn out, the simple act of trade can't ever be replaced in a world in which we don't all live in nurseries with basic nutrition and toys supplied by giant nannies
<3> It ain't easy being a skunk
<2> CryHavoc, dictators in general tend to do that though.
<8> Stalin's unofficial body count could be as high as 40 million
<2> Look at South America.
<8> P_O...not in those numbers!
<2> CryHavoc, that's only cause South America doesn't have those numbers :P
<11> gloriae, as I usually say to friends when we debate socialism "Maybe in startrek land"
<8> Stalin and Maos body count dwarfed hitlers
<12> hi Herzehn
<3> CryHavoc: Spain's around 100 million from it's colonial era
<3> er, its
<3> UCI guy's numbers
<8> South America never was that sort of killing ground
<3> No, worldwide
<3> Phillipines included
<2> Plenty of deaths there all the same, just not as publicized.
<8> jhix...hard to believe..not as many people around then
<3> This was over a 400 year period
<8> its the Ape pondering the Human Skull
<6> cool
<8> jhix...still think that is way too high
<8> there were not as many people in that time frame
<3> CryHavoc: It was a conservative and well researched paper
<2> CryHavoc, I'm a real man, so I fill my bookcases and don't need bookends! :P
<8> whereas..The Great leap Forward had the needed # of people
<3> It was peer-reviewed, all the right stuff
<6> CryHavoc: jhicks et al don't think about real numbers, they think about impressive numbers
<3> 1990 publication as I recall
<8> and pop stats showed what carnage Stalin wreaked on The ukraine
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