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Comments:
<0> you might have to go to another dealer if the salesman is stubborn
<1> unless its like a very limited edition car.. the edmund's price is only "so so"
<2> they are stupid if they dont jump on your offer.
<3> tip: go for the mauve sedan!
<4> iamking... thats the way the toronto maple leafs have spelt it
<3> they're practically giving away ford expleditions
<0> but if they know two things, you are OK (1) I won't pay more than this amount and (2) I don't tolerate a lot of ****ing around games with the 'sales manager'
<0> like "oh let me ask my manager" -- I will only go through two rounds of that, maximum. I will make sure they know I am bored with it and might leave
<2> yep. if you got good credit you can actually walk out of there with cash in hand from most successful experienced dealerships.
<3> first time i bought new i got taken
<3> not on car price but on promise for trade-in
<3> zoom zoom zoom
<3> no zoom for you!
<1> US: well, I tend to know who to talk to, before I get there.. but I hate talking to any joe-scho salesman who can't make any decisions
<4> haha "talk with the manager" they go to the cafeteria, pour a cup of coffee, talk to the other sales dude "ive got a live one, just gonna let him cook a couple more minutes"
<0> Lupine, yeah but they use that as a game anyway
<0> even if they can make the decision they will use the excuse to think, and to make you think
<0> stalling
<5> they use the game all the time
<6> heh reminds me of Frago, watched that last night
<6> *Fargo
<1> US: and if they play that game "Well, I may not be here when you get back.. I may have decided to talk to the sales manager at X dealership"
<0> so you have to make sure they know you are busy, and are not ****ing around much today
<1> and i've done that.. just walked out when the guy took too long
<0> but that you are serious about buying if the deal is good enough
<5> you must pay emunds price
<5> and low msrp
<5> that all
<0> even Edmunds, you might be able to beat
<5> and don't get all the extra crap, just a offer to trade it in for a new car
<5> 5 years from know
<0> if you're really lucky or good at negotiating
<1> gopp: public listed "invoice" minus all rebates/incentives and holdbacks. that is about as high as i'm willing to go.
<0> they all have this stock question "SO, what can I do to get you to buy this car *today*"
<2> and before you even think about deciding on a car go rent the same model for a month and drive it across country and back.
<0> "Give me a good enough deal, I will buy it right now"
<1> of course, I knew the head managers of BWM and VW dealerships.. so I've had to skip all that the last few times ;-)
<0> then they ask "how good is good "
<0> you make a low offer
<1> US: naw, dont allow the salesman to take the initiative. You dont want the "he is trying to convince you to buy the car".. you want "You are convincing him to sell you the car"
<0> Lupine: oh I want him to think he is convincing me
<1> you are there, ready to buy that exact car.. and the only obsticle is the guy wont sell you the car. he flat out refuses to do the deal
<1> US; then he's already won the game :P
<0> it makes him feel like giving me a lower price =)
<0> no, not at all. When I get my price, I win
<0> the price you pay determins who won,. nothing else
<4> they know that they have a much much higer chance of a sale if you dont "go home and think about it"
<7> I don't play bull**** games. I come in with a maximum monthly payment in mind, and the vehicle I want in mind. The dealership can either sell me it for that payment or not; if not I move on.
<4> as soon as you leave, their chances drop exponentially
<1> pickle: gotta be careful on monthly payments.. they can fudge numbers, ballon payments, etc
<1> hell, some dealerships in south florida will give you a 10 year loan to meet your payments
<7> Lupine: I do the PV/FV equations before I even show up.
<0> I will let them play game for a very limited amount of time as long as indications are that they will give me my price
<0> *games
<1> want to see a salesdroid flip out? have all the manufactures info on your PDA :-)
<2> its a buyers market. don't forget that. if they can't meet or beat an edmunds price then **** em.
<7> Lupine: This time around I plan on having printouts from the "build your vehicle" sites all the manufacturers have up in my hand.
<0> everyone checks Edmunds now -- but if I think they will meet the Edmunds price in 5 minutes, and it takes 20 minutes to drive to another dealer -- then I can hang our for 5
<7> "I want this."
<1> how to give a salesdroid a heart attack.. tell his manager that the saledroid refuses to sell a car to you :-)
<0> also I pretend I "might" want dealer financind, then take that off the table during negotiation
<0> it was never really on the table to begin with, but they thought it was
<1> oh yea.. going in and saying you will be paying in cash = death
<0> yeah never say that til the end
<0> or even that you have your own financing
<1> also people who want ot lease, being upfront of that as well
<1> no, argue sale price first before you mention lease
<0> yup
<1> otherwise, they'll use full MSRP
<0> separate deal
<4> what do you mean "meet the edmunds price"
<7> The play glorifying terrorist lover Saint Pancake has been cancelled in America.
<1> edmund pubishes the manfactures "public" invoice price. which isn't a true one really, but closer
<7> And its creator is whining about it: http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/opinion/la-oe-viner1mar01,1,2229722.story?coll=la-news-comment&ctrack=1&cset=true
<7> By the way, here's what Corrie thought of America: http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/rachel-corrie-flag-02.jpg
<1> pickle: kill em all, let allah sort them out
<1> damn it.. sportsman pushed back their 7.62x39 another month.. thou not suprising
<8> slowwww
<9> oi
<9> this must be the only channel on irc that fills it's ban list at least once a month
<1> heh
<1> well, warm enough to go lay out on the lake
<10> .sc
<10> er
<11> actually #help fills its ban list pretty quickly
<1> Two 14-year-old boys from Big Bear are doing OK tonight. Police say they suffered minor injuries after stealing an airplane from the Big Bear Airport and crash-landing it in Joshua Tree National Park last night.
<11> I guess stealing a car was out of the question
<12> been done
<12> stealing planes is all the rage
<13> damn kids these days
<11> I am surprised they were able to get it off the ground intially
<13> I don't get why we're supposed to have sympathy for them after they run from the cops and crash the car. Also, after that, we're supposed to hate the cops are police chases.
<14> probably played MS flight simulator
<13> WotGorila, most likely. Pretty soon some interest group is gonna make sure there's a MA sticker on it or something...
<11> did they hotwire the plane?
<13> We don't want these kids minds being warped into flying planes!
<13> Wabbit98, I bet it was running... or the keys were in it.
<11> ah
<13> Persuming they use keys on planes...
<13> If it was a jet I bet it was running...
<15> they use keys, yeah
<16> taking a plane for a joyride??
<11> I bet one of them has a dad who is a pilot
<16> these kids are dumber than the average 14 yr old
<11> well they did manage to fly a plane a little ways before crashing it
<16> they thought they could fly it because they played hundreds of hours of video games on Xbox
<15> i find video games harder then actual flyin, ha
<17> they did fly it - it just ran out of fuel from qhat I read
<17> they flew it fine till it ran out of fuel
<11> impressive
<18> DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0
<16> lol
<11> okay
<11> I thought I saw that idiot in #help eariler
<16> http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/rids/20060304/i/r2675039144.jpg?x=217&y=345&sig=eU_flyLPwt9M_Pt7zgWjEg--
<0> "ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) - An man accused in the death of his ex-girlfriend by setting her hair on fire was arrested, authorities said. Dane Abdool, 19, was charged with first-degree murder after police said he admitted killing Amelia Sookdeo, 17, it was reported Friday. Abdool said the two got into an argument Feb. 25 because he thought she was pregnant."
<0> "Medical examiners found no evidence of pregnancy, Winter Garden police said. The charging affidavit said Abdool forced Sookdeo from a car, wrapped her arms in tape, poured gasoline on her and flicked a lighter."
<0> "Abdool" -- a family of bad spellers
<0> ?
<13> Hehehe...
<13> that is pretty funny...
<13> Abdool...
<13> Well, I must admit today was an interesting day in news.
<13> You've got a "correct" by the AP over their previous Bush + Levees story.
<13> You've got a school suspending kids for looking at a website AT HOME.
<19> Fernin: huh?
<19> at home?
<13> A noodle price hike that the NYT reports might be a "Price fixing Scheme"
<13> jv, yes, seriously, at home.
<13> Hold on, getting the link
<13> http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30032
<13> Prof. resigning due to showing graphic man and pig *** scene in cl*** room. (10 seconds of it).
<20> Carter doesn't seem to know he's not president
<13> US_Male, yep, he seems to have been suffering from post electoral denial or something.
<13> have been and still is I should say...
<20> weird how it kicked in. Must be his gult over teh fact that Iran's radicalism happened under his watch
<20> *guilt
<20> in fact, that was teh trigger for the whole middle east radicalism
<20> regarading a disrespect for the US -- the "hostage crisis" showed them that the US can be taken on
<20> if teh Pres is weak
<13> Didn't Carter also get rid of the shah there at the time and that led the country to its radical fundementalism today?
<20> yup
<20> and that was the first nation where that happened
<13> I wonder why he was never called "Dumb" in all the op/eds yet Reagan was...
<1> LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- If you want to crash the glitziest party of all, the Oscars, here's a tip from a professional: Show up at the theater, dressed as a chef carrying a live lobster, looking really concerned.
<13> O.o
<1> fernin: because the mainstream media is predominately leftist
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