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<0> you inquire as to the 'they' and you get attacked
<0> I'm convinced some people in this world just take the victimiation route - and need that figure place holder of 'evil controller'
<0> meanwhile - it's just someone who can't handle responsibility as an adult
<1> you could provoke a security check near nellis air force base. but, the site is not secret
<0> the other 1/2 of NWO'ers are all pot growers I'm sure of . heh
<0> tortus - in the 60's ? was it indeed experiemental airfcraft for USAF ?
<1> i have been turned away from that base when i had an appointment to go in. they shut that place down immediately for almost anything
<2> I wonder how much of an effort the govt puts into disinformation towards the public and how much help they get from the media to do it
<0> now there is that movie about the couple that DID experience radiation burnms
<0> in Texas I think
<0> that's what led me to think, ok, that was real, they were hospitalized and they did recieve exposure to radiation
<0> 1 +1 = nuclear powered craft is all I could reasonablly come up with
<2> They kicked this dude off of Hannity and Colmes today for talking about the pentagon and 911
<0> let me guess - that there was no plane ?
<1> i know three people personally who walked on warm ground after nuclear blasts. news people. one is dead from cancer, one is disabled from falling rocks in a tunnel. one is disabled fromfalling rock outside a tunnel. it is real that people wre expose
<0> some people are obsessed with that one
<2> I wonder if there is any truth to it
<2> There are tons and tons of footage of it I bet
<2> they should release more
<2> put it to rest
<0> tortus - under Clinton he acknowledged that over 70,000 cases of lung cancer were indeed caused from above ground testing
<1> i also know several people, all family members who died from cancers who were downwind from the experimetns in the 50s
<1> it is real
<2> There is like a camera every few meters along the pentagon
<0> Plutonium goes for lung, because it attaches to dust - it's 'airborne' in a way
<1> not just lung cancer. it was worse than that
<0> it's wierd how some things go for thyroid
<0> others lung
<0> but - no dobut. Utah has some lawsuits pending on that
<0> tortus - oh, I bet
<0> it's hot in NEvada, and I don't just mean the sun heh
<2> I do find it odd though
<0> 50,000 year half-life is it ?
<0> real wise -
<0> I used to kid myself that just the above ground testing ****ed up the gene pool
<0> in other words, not even USING nukes, heh, could bring down a civ in the long term
<0> just wild speculation there no doubt
<0> I forget the 1/2 life of plut.
<2> alot of site interviews say that no plane hit the pentagon
<0> might be 10,000 years, but Nevada in some places is no doubt messed up
<1> lots of harm from the above ground testing
<0> add in Sand Storm - HA
<1> they didn't know it was harmful
<2> quite a few actually
<0> tortus- indeed, I have seen footage of people standing with goggles on.
<0> real sad indeed
<0> great cinema potential there
<0> Japan helped reach catharsis as a culture through cinematic device with Godzilla
<0> funny thing is - Russia - revealed their #1 dumping ground for spent rods + nuclear waste
<0> get this, it's right north of the tip of Japan
<1> that is why you see nevada fiercely fighting the storage dump in uyucca. it is too close to the underground water supply. people are angry that nevada wants to protect that barren area, that has no value to people outside of nevada. but, there is a legacy here. we have lived it already. we know what it is
<0> so, here you have a culture with Godzilla (who was born deformed from radiation)
<2> You know whats really ****ed up?
<0> who also eats raw fish
<2> There is evidence of flight 93 landing in Cleveland
<2> and being evacuated
<0> and really has radioactive polution out the wazoo just north of em. heh
<0> what is flight 93 ?
<2> yea I think so
<0> one of the 9/11 ?
<2> yea
<0> oh, to TOP IT ? the Ring of Fire ? right next door to Russia's nuke waste dumping ground in the ocean
<2> it was actually reported on BBC
<0> Ring of Fire is the most volatile volcanic geography in the world - ha
<2> not on USA press
<0> aaronx - which one was that ?
<2> the flight 93 landing in Cleveland
<0> one of them crashed in my state
<0> well CIA planned this in cuba, you can go read it yourself it's decl***ified now
<2> think about it honestly..
<0> the plan was to take a loaded place - ideally students - unload them - then send it on it's way to bring press that oh my - a plane was destroyed carrying p***engers
<0> I forget the name of that - I could dig it up though, but that one is out there
<2> 8600 gallons of fuel has a btu rate of like 86,000,000 -- that fire would of burned for days
<0> I mean, it's out there as in - you can find authenticity in it
<3> being evacuated?
<2> Plus ...
<2> there was no soil removal
<0> that also never was carried out -
<2> that much gas ont he ground ...
<0> aaronx - regarding what ?
<3> thats crazy
<0> the pentagon plan e?
<2> the pentagon
<0> oh.
<0> all I can say about that was- that topped a very strange day
<2> 8600 gallons of jet fuel is a real hazard enviornmentally
<2> but no soil was removed
<0> I mean, after WTC, and hearing about the pentagon, you just were left with 'what the hell is coming next'
<2> under title 40
<4> uh
<0> aaronxx- so what are you suggesting ?
<2> that soild would of be hazardous waste
<1> drdetroit: you know abut the syphilis experiments in the south? peole were not treated when there was treatment available, because there was interest in seeing how the disease devopled? that was not so long ago. makes me leary of govt action. public safety my ***
<4> theres no way that plane had 8600 gallons of jet fuel
<0> tortus - no
<2> DrDetroit : you know, I dont know -- just that facts dont add up
<0> aaronx - I'll say it was strange
<1> drdetroit: yeah its public. all of it
<0> I wonder about the plane that went down in PA
<0> supposedly it was heading for the white house ?
<2> Also, if you see the photos of the building before the collapse, you'll notice the top floor (before collapse) has no tail dmg, actually, no dmg at all
<3> yeah
<3> there is a whole conspiracy group about that
<2> see ...
<2> I dont like how that ****...
<2> the biggest attack in our history
<1> 93 was shot down imho
<2> is being grouped as conspirary
<0> tortus - if you search kazaa, you can find plenty of interviews with x-cia members, short movies etc, one of them said when they worked in CIA in cuba, they needed to cause an uprising by the peasants, so they would cyclicly pay off milk truck drivers - big tanker- and add cement to the milk - and then say - see ? See ? Castro must go.
<1> 93 shot down. wacko burned. etc etc
<0> that one was messed.
<0> dirty tactics no doubt. heh
<0> wasn't bush's father x-head of the CIA ?
<0> heh
<0> he's gotta be in on some real interesting stuff
<0> you come across a work like Falcon and the Snowman
<1> vush sr was cia head
<2> look at it this way guys
<0> seriously, you probably get some real inside knowledge on control as head of teh CIA
<0> for the better ? I 'guess'
<5> well
<0> better of who though ?
<0> a nationstate ? or humanity
<5> ya know...it isn't a secret that the CIA does certain things...
<0> publius - indeed
<1> usually, i am skeptical of consiracy, but i also know that in some instances the us govt deliberately vctimized citizens
<0> that's part of government no doubt
<0> KGB etc existed. blah blah blah
<5> I'm just hoping we aren't using the CIA to say America or whatever is bad. I'm not ***uming just making sure
<0> tortus - I think it's not so much 'the government'
<0> but a few people who had power to do so.
<1> true
<0> I think it gets dangerous to use 'the government' because those people in power do change
<1> govt is not central
<0> er, I meant, the 'gov' is dynamic
<2> The width of the wingspan of a 757 Boeing is 124 ft 10 inches - the height is 44 feet. but the impact of the pentagon was only 65 feet by 73 feet
<2> where is the wings of the plane?
<1> people with authority make decisions who should not be making decisions, and they are not stopped
<0> aaronx - hmm
<0> aaronix - I'll say this, if it didn't crash, that's messed up as all hell
<2> Well who knows ... ya know
<0> and let's all stop at k-mart before we head off to DC
<2> thats the whole thing ya know
<0> heh
<0> I leave it to benefit of doubt that it did crash
<0> but - you raise some good questions
<1> look at waco. reno said she was responsible, effectively making the people on the ground not culpable. but they were culpable
<3> no there is a shadow gvt
<3> that does not change
<3> or so they say
<0> joshg- that's where I step away, for I just don't know
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