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<0> 54 46 frank's congressional reform bill lost annd it was pretty much down party lines.
<0> 46 senators voted with him.
<0> That is pretty close.
<0> 2 states make the difference.
<1> sintient: well-meaning people got power for congress to do good things ... the problem is that power can be used by anyone ... good or bad
<0> But how do you know what he was doing you didn't read the bill.
<0> Ok whatever where are your bills to remove to ear marks.
<0> What lobby firm have you hired?
<0> I will read them.
<1> sintient: earmarks are only the tip of the iceberg ... the problem that is sinking the titanic is ALL the POWER that earmarks represent
<0> And on the abrahmoff donation thing there is a difference, again, from getting a donation and having done nothing to get it and getting for some action you did in office.
<1> if you get rid of 90 percent of their stupid spending, the rest that is represented by military spending won't be a problem
<1> sintient: that just means you didn't catch him THAT TIME
<0> I am just saying it works the same way, someone presents a bill for the government to build a bridge or a damn.
<0> AHah so all donations are bribes now.
<0> You are a cynic.
<1> sintient: there is no way on god's green earth you can stop criminals from committing crimes
<1> sintient: all you can do is take the profit out of it
<1> sintient: all donations ARE bribes
<2> OcDoc: Military spending is more than 10% of the budget.
<0> There are preventative measures.
<1> MrRod: it should be 90% of the budget
<1> sintient: that don't work and never will
<2> OcDoc: Shall we privitize the highways and schools too?
<0> Cameras armed gaurds they stop people from criming it up.
<1> pretty lame ... pretty vague ... preventive measures ... sheesh
<1> sintient: no, they don't ... most crimes are never solved
<0> You don't get it.
<1> sintient: no .. explain it to me
<0> I see you don't get it and I don't need to keep learning nothing from you.
<1> sintient: fine ... run away
<1> MrRod: yes
<0> I will just let you post a few times and not get a response and see if you act like a jerk or not.
<1> knock yourself out ... if you run out of logic don't blame me
<0> Ok so if you grab for my wallet and shoot you in the face I just prevented a crime.
<0> Owned.
<0> It can be done.
<1> I understand people who keep doing more of the same and expecting it to miraculously turn out different next time
<2> OcDoc: Shall we privatize police departments too?
<0> You lie and lie again and then act like you didn't lie.
<1> MrRod: not completely
<1> MrRod: we can privatize security and civil law .. not criminal law
<2> OcDoc: Privatize the criminal court system and jails?
<2> OcDoc: How about privatizing jails and making prisoners pay for their keep?
<1> MrRod: no ... read what I said
<0> Criminal stars to put break into a bank and a cop walks up and asks them what they are doing and they run away, I guess i crim wasn't prevented because ocdoc says that isn't possible.
<1> MrRod: I don't think so
<2> OcDoc: Why not? We're doing it now.
<1> MrRod: bad idea
<2> OcDoc: I agree.
<0> So when you act so stupid no one wants to talk to act even dumber and insult them, no one sees through that.
<1> MrRod: most of the criminals shouldn't be in prison anyway
<2> OcDoc: We get more prisoners if they have to pay for themselves.
<1> MrRod: most of the crimes they were convicted of shouldn't have been crimes
<1> MrRod: I don't want criminals competing with honest citizens even to make money
<1> society punishes criminals, it should be society's expense
<2> OcDoc: I think the problem is that it should not be profitable to put people in prison.
<1> MrRod: I agree with that ... it's an ethical question
<3> uims od drunbk
<3> an t be coherent
<3> byt uts awesome!
<2> Necrosan: Sometimes it's better to be silent. Silence is golden.
<1> Necrosan: until you start throwing up
<3> haha
<3> no more mcgilliducd=dya'
<3> far too drunk
<3> i embar***ed some chix
<3> ad fun
<3> blahy'
<1> lamer
<2> OcDoc: Do you think it should be legal for me to mine my back yard? (It's fenced.)
<1> MrRod: I think there are limits to what you can do with your property
<3> **** you OcDoc
<3> sittoin *** home *** man
<3> ot havin o siocial lufe
<1> if a kitty walks on your lawn and blows up a mine, that wouldn't be good
<2> OcDoc: How about putting up a sign that says "Peligro! Minas!"
<2> kaye!
<4> hey Rod ::)
<1> MrRod: cats and children can't read
<2> OcDoc: Children can't get into the yard. Cats, well, that's a good side benefit for the mines.
<1> I think everyone should have reasonable rights to defend themselves ... some things are dangerous on the face of it
<1> MrRod: if you could be absolutely sure innocent people would not be hurt, then fine
<1> but things go wrong sometimes
<1> maybe the fire department has to come on your property and they get hurt
<2> OcDoc: Or the water meter guy.
<1> MrRod: that's not really my point ... the meter guy doesn't have to come on your property, but **** happens
<1> MrRod: I think people should be held accountable for over-reacting whether it's their property or not
<2> OcDoc: Hmmm... Mormons and Jehovas Witnesses too. Now I'm doing it for sure!
<1> MrRod: heh
<1> silly american person
<1> I fart in your general direction!
<1> I can't believe someone actually succeeded in that argument that going door to door is a free speech thing
<1> idiots
<1> I have a right to bother people in their houses
<1> sheesh
<2> OcDoc: It doesn't really bother me when people come to my door.
<1> you have a right to rent a hall from anyone who will rent to you and say whatever you like to each other ... the first amendment does not guarantee anyone the right to talk to me personally
<1> MrRod: fine
<1> then let them .. it DOES bother me, and the first amendment does not give other citizens the right to bug me
<2> OcDoc: You don't have to talk to them.
<2> OcDoc: Just ask them to leave.
<1> listen to yourself ... you just said I had to talk to them but I don't have to talk to them
<2> OcDoc: So don't answer the door.
<1> I decide whom I want to come to my door and whom I don't
<2> OcDoc: Or get a 6 foot ghetto fence with a pad lock.
<1> I want my friends to come to my door and knock ... I don't want strangers to be able to
<2> OcDoc: So how do you do that?
<2> OcDoc: Gated community?
<1> MrRod: by forbidding "solititors"
<2> OcDoc: Do you have a sign?
<1> MrRod: gated community is one way but not everyone can afford that
<1> MrRod: the sign only works if there's a rule against ignoring it
<2> OcDoc: What enforcement would there be anyway? You going to call the police if Girl Scouts show up?
<1> MrRod: it would be up to me
<1> I think the issue came up around an ordinance requiring solicitors to get a permit
<1> they said that violated the first amendment rights of the solicitors
<2> OcDoc: I heard about that.
<1> MrRod: I actually guess I agree that the ordinance was a bad idea ... but it would be a good idea to have a rule fining someone for ignoring a "no solicitors" sign
<5> hrm.. people are so worried about SCOTUS overturning Roe vs Wade... I'd rather see them overturn Texas vs White ... heh
<1> the ordinance requiring registration was supposed to be a way to actually fine people ... if they don't register, you don't know who they are to give them the ticket
<5> it would be... historic :)
<1> eek .. it's after midnight ... you pricks have kept me yakking past me bedtime!
<1> ;-)
<2> OcDoc: It's Saturday.
<1> MrRod: true
<1> actually, it's now Sunday
<2> OcDoc: You can stay up late on Saturday.
<1> thanks, ma
<2> OcDoc: Now take out the trash.
<1> heh .. I noticed that sintient accused me of shooting myself in the foot by talking when no one was listening, but it was sintient who started frothing at the mouth when I stopped listening to HIM
<1> I think that means I won
<0> You are the one that told me to "run away" when I had heard the same thing from your 5 times in a row and decided to stop.
<1> ah! you're still here!
<2> OcDoc: Stoking it up?
<1> MrRod: well, it wasn't really a discussion
<0> I just couldn't believe you thought that crime is never prevented.
<0> I was sure you had lost it, and weren't worthy of talking to anymore.
<1> sintient: I didn't say never ... if I did say that, it was accidental and I take it back
<0> Oh ok.
<1> sintient: what I was trying to say was that laws never prevent crimes
<0> I am sorry for getting heated but I mean I couldn't believe you said that and just wanted to end it when I felt like you were saying anything.
<0> Hmm well.
<1> sintient: laws only outline the ground rules for citizens to enforce them
<0> Laws do give authority to law enforcerd.
<0> enforecers.
<1> sintient: exactly
<0> Ok.
<0> I wasn't running away just thought your cynicsm had come to a boil.
<1> whether the laws are enforced or not depends on who is trying to enforce them and how much resource they're putting into it and how easy it is to catch people etc etc
<0> So I was just going to stop.
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