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<0> MrRod, why should I
<1> I would drop mine if it wasn't around $25 per check
<2> and even if your poor and can't pay for college
<2> get a job
<0> I do not want anything from the goverment
<2> go to college, and get student loans
<2> thier lots of student loans
<1> but that's not that much to pay
<3> gopp, many do
<2> i know far more poor internatinall student
<2> who go to college
<0> heh, we pay 100 a week for ours
<4> JanetB: The fact is that if you can afford good health insurance coverage then you will get better health care than those who rely on state or county health care coverage.
<2> and pay bigger toution
<1> I might even pay a bit more
<2> and get good grades
<5> Personally I think there can be a happy medium in regulation and health care programs to avoid destroying the system and still let almost everyone have access.
<2> they work and go to school
<2> they make no excuse
<2> pmax your people of poor are not realy poor, they are lazy
<2> pmax sorry but i don't want to help the lazy
<0> MrRod.. I disagree, as I have given time to work in county hospitals, and they get quite good health care
<2> thier alll types of scolarships or student loans
<1> states and cities should start group insurance bargaining
<2> so not going to college is a choice, and saying you can't is a bad excuse
<6> bottom line is the government has never taken over any function from the states or private sector and done the job as well or as efficiently
<3> SonOfSpam, it is all a matter of incentives...medicaid lacks proper reimbursement
<3> SonOfSpam, in some cases no specialists within a 25 mile area will take medicaid
<2> pmax thier free healthcare , or cheap healthcare
<4> JanetB: Arizona must be better than here.
<2> cheap healthcare in america
<2> is top quality
<5> pmax... yeah, but that kind of problem would continue into a more general health care program.
<2> they use and follow the same logic and rules are expensive healthcare
<2> that is fact
<2> so you should not rant
<4> gopp: There is no cheap health care in America.
<1> I don't want any national health care entitlement
<2> that the poor are never helped or that thier healthcare is worse
<1> whatsoever
<2> MrRod sure thier is
<2> go to a catholic hospital
<1> I would like ot see group bargaining for rates, by states or cities
<4> gopp: Where?
<2> hobken nj
<5> pmax... the gov't underfunds the VA health care system by billions every year... and that's for the veterans. Imagine how'd they'd screw the average joe.
<2> thier charity care
<0> so you guys keep taxing people put of the ability to keep their homes and familys fed, and yell about health care, when it will do little good when you have no place to live and no food to eat
<4> gopp: That just means someone else is paying for it.
<2> if your in deep care for a nurse
<2> go thier
<2> MrRod sure
<2> it free to the sick person
<2> idiot
<0> you want to see a poor country and horrid health care, let the federal goverment provide it
<2> that the point
<3> SonOfSpam, another example is diabetes...medicaid will pay a doctor $19k to amputate an arm but will hardly pay anything to a GP to manage the diabetes to avoid the surgery
<2> MrRod it better then goverment hand
<1> MrRod: did gop just call you an idiot ?
<1> OMG
<2> that every working tax payer pays
<2> US_Male sorry
<2> I got angry
<5> pmax... yeah, preventative care issues are another big one these days.
<2> MrRod I am sorry
<3> SonOfSpam, so you can see how the incentives within medicaid are awry
<1> ;P
<2> MrRod I didn't mean to offend you
<2> just your logic
<4> JanetB: Anyone who complains about taxes driving them to be homeless and starving is probably not good with money.
<2> is beyond me
<5> You can typically get emergency issues covered fairly well... but the preventative care can be extremely hard to get for the poor.
<4> gopp: I'm not offended. I get the impression that you think because an individual doesn't pay that it's "free"
<2> MrRod not sure, you can be good with money but if you allow the goverment to grow, and you are then taxed at 59% then your screwed
<0> MrRod.. higher taxes will effect many people, and higher taxes so nothing to solve problems, they never have
<0> the feds just spend more
<4> gopp: I don't know anyone who is taxes at 59%. I'm sure not.
<2> MrRod if you don't keep an eye on your goverment the tax rate will be far more then what is resonable
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<1> good gawd
<2> MrRod in some countrys where solcist run the country like demark the tax rate is 59%
<1> it wasn't even a rock concert
<2> it was stated here early today
<4> gopp: I don't live in Denmark.
<7> US income tax used to be 70% under Carter
<2> MrRod and that why we complain about taxes
<2> MrRod so that it will not turn in to demark in america
<1> top marginal rate yeah
<2> that why we should complain
<1> that's hellish
<7> US: no kidding, once you include all the other taxes.. yeesh
<2> even at 20%
<0> AZ, is looking into a state health insurance plan, where you pay the state, and you have your choice of doctor and hospital, it will be interesting to see what they come up with
<2> tax rate is to dam high
<5> pmax... I was an engineering student before my injury and disability, no dummy... and it was even difficult for me to track down and get into some of the programs that are supposed to be available to me.
<1> if I was at teh marginal rate of taxatio at 70%, I'd hide that additional money offshore
<7> As is, I'm ****ed this tax season, with capital gains
<4> Lup|ne: These days it's typical for wealthy people to have a relatively low tax rate. Certainly lower than my tax rate.
<1> just sell drugs in Holland to make extra money or something
<8> thats a misconception
<2> Lup|ne but liberal say you should not make money on your money
<1> I suppose it's legal there though'
<7> MrRod: weird, then explain how the top 5% pay by far the most taxes?
<5> pmax... I'm all for eliminating fraud in social programs, but sometimes the way they fight fraud makes it too hard for people to get in who actually deserve it.
<3> gopp, I know caseworkers who interact with these programs everyday and yet are still confused by the endless bureaucracy
<2> Lup|ne but liberal say you should not make money on your money
<1> Lup|ne: can you take a capital loss ?
<4> Lup|ne: They have the most money. But most of their income is from capital gains, which is relatively lightly taxed compared to taxes on earned income.
<1> sell some tech stock you were stuck with in 2000
<1> take a loss
<2> MrRod wtf
<4> Lup|ne: As a result, wealthy people have a relatively low tax rate.
<8> mrrod knows all
<8> or so he thinks
<2> MrRod do you know everything
<2> are you god
<4> td-: That's the way it is, man.
<1> I am god
<8> ich bin got
<2> US-Male he knows it all
<1> Ich bin ein jellydonut
<2> he knows it all he speak every langue in the world
<8> those damn rich people , always screwing the poor
<2> he can figure out all the math proofs and physic problems
<0> sorry.. I just see jealous people wanting to take what does not belong to them
<2> with his hand tied to the back
<2> US-Male
<2> the god
<1> gopp: you are right, MrRod does know it all !
<3> SonOfSpam, I agree
<4> td-: I'm not saying it's bad. All I'm saying is that if you can manage to make your money from capital gains you're going to have a relatively low tax rate.
<1> cap gains rate is much etter
<1> etter
<1> dammit
<0> b
<1> *better
<1> especially if you hold it for a year
<4> td-: Middle cl*** people usually pay a higher tax rate on their income than wealthy people who get most of their income from capital gains.
<4> td-: So, it's better to be wealthy than just getting by. The government tax rates are much softer.
<1> or, just make your money from cap gains
<1> for which you need capital
<4> US_Male: That would be awesome.
<1> yeah
<4> US_Male: True. You have to be somewhat wealthy to make a living from capital gains but some people (not me) can do it.
<1> if you had a million bucks, and could get that to make 10% annual, you could live on that easily
<4> US_Male: So, I'm stuck paying a higher rate than the wealthy folks who can live off their investments.
<5> pmax... I think one of the biggest health care scams today is hospitals charging different rates for insured vs not insured. It's spun as a way to help the uninsured, but all they are really doing is bilking the insurance companies and driving up costs of the government, industry, and people who pay out of pocket for insurance.
<3> SonOfSpam, I agree entirely
<5> The big hurt being on the governments of the States... since they have to spend more and more on that instead of other things.
<1> MrRod: well, you need to have let's say at least a quarter or a half milion socked away
<1> not quite "wealthy" but getting there
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