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<0> US-Male my WMD dont work like it used to! :)
<1> I say we force others to deal with it by not doing anything
<1> USA should tell the world "prove to me that there are WMD in Iran"
<2> pfft, like it ever worked
<3> I think we should just airlift all of our Donkeys to the middle east, why, they will have all the problems fixed over night.
<0> TheTailor :)
<1> well, tehn nothing is done. Let France get nuked
<1> Or, France can take action and we can condemn them for being a bully !
<1> either way we have fun
<4> religion is the single worst factor in world politics bar none
<5> they deserve each other
<0> OcDoc I agree. Protestants are the cause of all troubles! :)
<4> things are rapidly coming to a head I believe ... the muslim world is going to be forced to take sides ... repudiate extremism and some interpretations of the qu'ran, or join in and start the war
<1> we just need to stick to the principle that we no longer defend those who badmouth us when we use military action
<4> TomM: only extremist protestants
<1> let them fry
<3> bah, the biggest problem in politics today is political correctness. Religion would not be half the issue if we did not have to decieve ourselves in the first ****ing place
<0> OcDoc geez lighten up, I was jes kidding! :)
<6> I don't want Iran to have nuclear weapons - however, I don't think Israel deserves the right either - clear double standard.
<4> Darth: I disagree, it's the tacit support of the non-extreme mustlim world ... they know what the qu'ran says and increasingly they are having trouble explaining it away
<4> Darth: christians mostly faced that a long time ago and resolved it by rejecting literal translations of the bible
<3> OcDoc and that is political correctness, to ignore the truth about islam
<0> If you guys are going to start debating sensibly and with facts, Im leaving. I cant handle the truth!
<4> TomM: I know
<1> Isreal is irrelevant, they either have nukes or they don't --- wayyy before the Iran deal
<4> heh
<6> US-Male: Israel isn't irrelevant - they're part of the same region, and they
<4> Darth: well, I suppose if you mean "other muslims"
<6> are a threat to Iran
<1> Phantom88: they are totally irrelevant to Iran's nukes
<1> bull****. Israel never threatened to attack Iran
<1> that's just plain false
<6> US-Male: Are American nuclear weapons Irrelevant to Russian nuclear weapons? I don't think so - enemies are enemies
<4> Phantom: israel is only a threat to the region if the muslims misbehave
<7> us-male
<1> Phantom88: bull****. Israel never threatened to attack Iran
<7> israels entire existence is a threat to iran
<8> US-Male... yeah, they just bombed 'em
<4> israel has NEVER attacked their neighbors unprovoked
<8> :P
<7> they dont need to speak it in words
<6> US-Male: The US never threatened to attack Russia - but the weapons themselves are a threat
<1> Glock21: no, they bombed Iraq
<8> I thought they nailed Iran a few times too.
<1> they bombed Iraq to prevent them from getting nuke power
<9> nope
<4> Phantom: of course the US threatened to attack Russia
<8> I could easily be wrong.
<7> which is attacking
<1> well I don't recall them bombing Iran
<4> Glock: nope ... they blew up saddams nuclear facility once
<7> id probably go as far as saying id trust iran with nukes more than id trust israel
<0> OcDoc...how were they provoked in 81...When they bombed the supposed nuclear facility? I might have the year wrong.
<8> Meh... my Iranian history is sub par for sure, so I'm probably wrong.
<4> biocarb: you have stranged definitions for the words you use then
<1> Phantom88: your logic is failed. Israel has either had nukes, or not - -for several years
<1> no change there
<9> for decades prolly
<4> TomM: well, I might consider that an exception depending on what you mean by "provoked"
<1> the potential change in the equilibrium lies in Iran
<0> US-Male I think they do...
<1> IF Isreal has nukes, then they have denostrated responsibility
<1> demonstrated
<1> by not using them yet
<6> OcDoc: Not really - the US threatened to defend itself against "Soviet" aggression - of course, they also had alternate plans to launch a pre-emptive attack, which they didn't talk about. Russia wasn't stupid, and neither is Iran - they know they're a target
<0> OcDoc exactly...Are they provoked when they "perceive" a threat? The must have had the Bush doctrine of preemptive action long before Bush.
<9> we never used such a plan though. That counts for something.
<4> biocarb: I don't trust any of them, even in knowing their own self-interest, but I see no problem with Iran having nukes next to Pakistan and India
<10> they also know they might not be a significant target in a couple years from now
<3> if the United States should decide to make a whole in the ground where Iran is, no one on this mudball can stop it, and THATS why Donkeys are so pissed.
<4> Phantom: that's much different from "attacking" any of them
<0> DarthBurg huh?
<3> see
<10> if a dem becomes president in 08, no iran war unless it's already started;p
<9> yah really Tom, I'm like, what the hell did he just say, because it makes no sense.
<0> suna..why would we want a war?
<1> ---->>>>> [10:32] <7> israels entire existence is a threat to iran [10:33] <7> id probably go as far as saying id trust iran with nukes more than id trust israel
<7> hmmm
<1> biocarb: so you admit you want Israel destroyed
<3> oh it makes perfect sense, the Donkey fear of the US War Machine (Military) is well documented.
<10> tomm: I don't know, whose we?
<10> a lot of people have wanted it for a long time
<7> no i dont want it destroyed
<0> suna peeples...:)
<9> Darthburg, are you like ur hourly robot Donk rant pattern?
<6> There's no question Israel's nuclear weapons are a destablizing factor in the ME - but I blame NATO, since they didn't develop the technology themselves unaided
<10> the same peoplw who wanted iraq invaded 5 years before it was
<10> ;p
<1> biocarb: you stated that israel's existanced is a threat to Iran, then stated you want Iran to have the capability to destroy Israel
<10> taking all bets! ;p
<7> im yet to have anyone give me a good reason why it deserves to exist, but any sort of destruction of any type of people goes beyond my beliefs
<1> biocarb: I win. Thanks for playing
<0> suna oh....those arent people...LOL
<3> hans-- well, pointing out reality gets me blamed for a lot of Donkey bashing, perhaps the donkeys could do better and not give me so much ammo
<7> glad to be of servie
<4> having nukes is irrelevant per se ... it's what they might be used in aid of that's important
<0> biocarb you dont like JOOS?
<4> if Iran only uses them to deter agression against them, fine
<9> Darthburg, but you just bring the **** up out of no where, completely off topic. It seems ...obsessive :)
<11> Gore 08
<7> joos?
<7> oh jews
<10> powerful nations (dictatorship or otherwise) arn't just gonna randomly use a nuke
<7> no i dont care about jews
<10> powerful people are addicted to power
<4> Phantom: who's arguing that?
<10> using nuke = byebye power
<7> i just dont believe that any ethnic group deserves to have a homeland based on religion
<3> we are talking war with Iran, and the Donkeys attitude towards the US Military is not relevant?
<3> silly me
<0> biocarb that pretty much sums it up.
<10> saddam would have never used a nuke, at least not in a form he'd ever take credit for.
<7> thus israels creation was a problem for me
<1> biocarb: so you are agasint a Palestinian homeland
<7> not the fact that they're jews
<11> jews make me form new neuronal connections
<4> biocarb: I have no objection to that as long as dissenters are free to leave
<7> im against it in principal us-male, because i believe that the people who were living there before israel was created
<10> no dictator ever would except in defense. you launch a nuke, your world is over. Nobody who has everything he could ever want would willingly lose it all.
<6> OcDoc: There's a double standard - and while I'm not about to argue that Iran should get nukes, Israel sure as hell shouldn't have them either - they haven't even signed the nuclear non-proliferation treaty
<7> should haev been allowed to continue to live there
<4> the only problem is children in that case
<7> without interference
<1> [10:38] <7> i just dont believe that any ethnic group deserves to have a homeland based on religion
<1> biocarb: so you are agasint a Palestinian homeland? You have to be, in order to make the prior statement
<4> Phantom: they HAVE them
<0> hans...hes trolling...weakly but trolling. Darth is looking for a response.
<7> i just said above us-male
<9> oh ok ;)
<7> are you unable to read properly?
<10> weakly trolling?
<10> damn
<10> ;p
<1> biocarb: yes or no ?
<4> it's not a question, theoretical or otherwise, and it's not an argument
<6> OcDoc: Of course - but they can also be sanctioned to give them up
<7> read up you silly boy
<7> biocarbim against it in principal us-male, because i believe that the people who were living there before israel was created
<10> i wish ft & comet would just make the world 'troll' an auto ban
<1> biocarb: can you think properly ?
<10> ;
<10> ;/
<7> so im agreeing with you
<11> hindus are the true pacifists
<4> Phantom: the only question is, does Iran aquiring nukes threaten us sufficiently to justify taking direct action
<1> biocarb: TRY to think ---> [10:38] <7> i just dont believe that any ethnic group deserves to have a homeland based on religion
<1> biocarb: a NEW Palestinian homeland, are you for or agasint it ?
<1> you cannot go back to the past
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