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<0> Chavez doesn't seem bad to me.
<1> O
<2> Na$a
<3> $ocial $ecurity
<0> "U$A" isn't as dumb as "Amerika".
<0> Ooooh. Scary.
<2> Chavez is a dangerous entity
<1> I'm in the united states of unconsciousness
<0> Magick.
<4> the ACLU is the biggest threat still
<1> Whatever....we aren't even evenly political anymore
<2> he is pro autocratic governance and anti anything that would help the people in Venezuela...
<0> lol, yeah
<3> speaking of unconsciousness, its bed time
<0> ACLU is a terrorist organization.
<0> According to Bill O'Reilly at least.
<5> chavez is a turd that would have been flushed long ago if congress had stuck with energy conservation, alt fuels, etc
<2> v-d is gohnorrea or syphillis?
<6> VD is a general term
<0> vaginal dysentary?
<2> veneral disease...
<7> well you see it's like this
<2> must be the doctor in me ;)
<6> venerial diseise
<7> OIL IS CHEAP
<7> Congress can't change that
<0> I like my interpretation of 'vd' better. :)
<8> darth: see, i don' t think capitalism is an appropriate term. that is a term used by marxists. i think the beter term is freemarket
<4> The ACLU was founded by Communists
<1> Its venereal disease...but honestly I just joined you bums...never really thought about what my name was :)
<2> yer vd could come from the one I named....
<7> guest18: I really don't have any problem with the ACLU aside from the war on christmas thing
<9> I dunno...I got tons of 'em hehe
<2> Dysentary mary with the vag....er n/m
<2> I have one other.....Cryolas
<0> Apparently the ACLU has over 500,000 members.
<4> the common people wouldn't complain much if they themselves owned 100 shares of Chevron
<9> But they don't
<8> aclu is ok, but they should not put themselves forward as an organization for liberty. they are not exactly even handed on which causes they choose to support
<2> Cryolas are demented political crayons
<7> how is the ACLU a terrorist organization?
<8> they have an occasional rightwing case. its token
<9> Even the uncommon religious folk wouldn't complain...
<7> you do know that words have meanings, don't you?
<4> the ACLU regects religion
<2> they support the terrorist filth over US citizens...cause enough
<4> the ACLU supports the KKK
<7> cryhavoc: which terrorist filth have they supported?
<7> cryhavoc: not that it supports your claim if they have
<9> So where is the separation between politics and money?
<4> the ACLU supports NAMBLA - which is the North American Man Boy Love ***ociation
<9> or what is it?
<8> the aclu deserves much more hostility than it gets
<7> buy: lobbying is a black-letter constitutional right
<2> the ones they calim are having their rights violated at Gitmo for one
<0> The ACLU was formed during WWI to give legal advice and aid for conscientious objectors and those being prosecuted under the Espionage Act of 1917 or Sedition Act of 1918.
<7> guest18: no, they don't support NAMBLA.
<4> yes they do
<2> guest18...try to contribute to discussion pls
<7> no, they don't. Just because you express your views on the law doesn't mean you support a party in a lawsuit
<8> if you loook at the aclu history of the aclu, you will see that the aclu is big phat nice org. but *i don't think so*
<8> that org has a history that is rife with bigotry
<4> the ACLU wishes to remove the White Crosses from government Cemetarys
<0> Guest - Do you have a cite for that?
<4> yes, www.aclu.org
<7> guest18: you don't do yourself any favors by reading one-line summaries of these cases
<2> well night peeps... 3 am here..gotta redo a website 2morra
<2> www.floridatreasure.net
<10> Isn't it nice to have everyone in the middle east pissed off at the Danish insted of the US?
<7> guest18: is that a "no"?
<8> same with the journalist orgs. they purport to support free speech, for the good of free information. but if you look at what and who and when and why...a bias bleeds forth that is impossible to ignore
<8> nellie bligh was the last investigative journalist
<8> since nellie, all the journalists have agendas before they ever set foot in a newsroom
<7> twisted: their bias is that they take civil liberties laws more seriously than you do (except for religion and gun rights)
<0> As best I can tell, of the founders of the ACLU, one was a socialist, one was a libertarian, and one was a lawyer interested in "defending conscientious objectors, other citizens and immigrants against unconstitutional persecution".
<8> mrrod: its not really nice. it is just the point of least resistance. its scary
<4> ACLU Praises Cleveland Mayor's Support of KKK's First Amendment Right to ... 08/03/1999
<10> |bob: The ACLU's position is that the US Constitution does not support individual gun ownership so they don't have any thing to protect.
<7> guest18: why shouldn't the KKK's first amendment rights be secure?
<4> because they incite violence
<8> bob: the problem is, the free speech right is the *only * thing that gets any wieght. i disagree. i think the other rights are just as good
<7> guest18: fyi "inciting violence" has a definition under law
<7> guest18: and as long as the KKK arent' doing it, they're clear
<0> Yeah, is Guest18 saying that the US should be like Cuba, where their constitution outlines all kinds of great personal rights and legal rights, but says that anyone opposed to building a socialist society can be summarily stripped of all rights by the gov't?
<8> free speech is a god thing. but...there are several other rights right on the same freakin page
<8> free speech is not the font of all good in a righteous society
<4> ACLU Frequently Asked Questions 01/07/2004
<0> I think the ACLU is good about defending all individual rights, except unrestricted gun ownership.
<7> guest18: why do you keep changing the subject?
<8> sometimes the right to expression of religion is important
<8> or the right to bear arms
<8> or the right to have property
<8> or or or
<8> not just free speech
<8> the reason free speech gets duch wieght is, the people who do the bitching own the presses
<9> *sometimes*?
<7> twisted: they also defend the 4th-7th amendments
<0> I agree the ACLU ignores the right to bear arms. But they are good on the right to have property or the right of a citizen to express religion. I'm sure the ACLu isn't happy about the recent decision that states can take anyone's property for 'public benefit'.
<7> and they'd probably defend the 3rd if they had an occasion to
<4> communism is the Goal for the ACLU, that's why they don't support gun rights
<11> Communisim is a failed religion
<9> Again...what are politics besides money?
<7> guest18: how is communism the goal of the ACLU?
<9> I wouldn't even put politics and "freedom of anything" in the same category
<11> freedom to or freedom from?
<11> I prefer the fredom of MYOB
<8> the aclu is unusually bent on freedom of expression. why is that?
<7> twisted: because freedom of expression rules
<4> We need guns and we need religion, if we didn't have guns we would all still be listening to John Lennons Music
<7> guest18: sigh.. changing the subject again
<8> no. i disagree. i think the other rights are just as important
<0> I don't think the ACLU is unusually bent on Freedom of Expression.
<9> pilgrim: well...I said freedom of...which maybe encomp***es both to and from
<8> yes, they are
<7> guest18: when you have a coherent, supported thesis let me know
<11> freedom from is far greater
<0> tttwisted - Howso?
<11> I don't care what you do, I do care that I am not forced into it, whatever it may be
<4> freedom is kosher pork
<8> you do not see the aclu defending people on other civil liberties. it is expression that the aclu is known for.
<11> Freedom's just another word for nothing left to loose
<7> buy: money by itself can't guarantee winning an election
<4> freedom is not kosher ****
<7> pilgrim: go back to the 60s
<7> Guest18: what
<11> bob we do though have the best gub'mint money can buy
<8> pilgrim: exactly
<0> tttwisted - They defend people against 'extraordinary rendition'.
<9> pilgrim: I can give you that
<9> :)
<11> and yes bob, I do go back to the 60s
<7> pilgrim: and stay there
<11> I rememebr a gal who called hersef rainbow....
<7> wtf patriot act extended at last minute
<11> I gave piece a chance
<8> sahalee: i would guess, and i have not looked this up, that if you look at the total cases the aclu has accepted, you would find rendition at about less than .01 percent. you could prove me wrong, but i doubt it
<4> freedom of speech should not allow men to have *** with children
<0> They defend privacy, against unlawful searches, and wiretapping.
<9> But even now...what do we have to loose? Besides something like a dog who really likes that he comes home to boredom and a steak?
<11> patriot act is just a piece of paper to allow a cop to get off with less paperwork after he kills you then it would have taken before, and that really is all it is
<12> freedom of speech no longer affords people the right to protest either
<11> man the wind is blowing here
<0> Guest18 - The ACLU has never defended the 'right' of anyone to have *** with kids. So that's a misleading strawman statement on your part.
<7> guest18: the ACLU doesn't share NAMBLA's agenda on age of consent laws. Look into the details of the damn case already
<12> freedom of speech by now means that Verizon can solicit you for a new phone plan
<7> ciderweas: good
<4> yeah, it would **** if I couldn't call Michael Moore a Dumb***
<8> freedom of speech means you can go ahead and wear your tshirt
<4> i have a right to call Michael Moore a Dumb***
<12> and since when to the Repugs who like to arrest protesters give whit about freedom
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