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<0> 426...perhaps..but I said intertwined versus controlled by
<1> the kings and their little preistlies
<2> CryHavoc, but they did not call for his death
<3> there is no possible way that the entire world will stop making images of mohammed. that is not going to happen, no matter who has a freakin nuke
<4> Astrodog: ****, you might be able to find one on the net
<5> L0c0: you're right, most don't. Because they never under went an enlightenment period, like the christians of Europe.
<3> not going to happen
<0> the 100 years war erupted partially due to Kings plowing too many furrows
<3> nevah
<6> Milan County, Tx is where ?
<0> tttwisted..proof that Islam has yet to grow the hell up
<3> mrrod: sahalee has no voice
<1> heh have to remeber that back in the 1500's that if you weren't converted to christianity you were an "infidel" meant for slavery
<0> 426...I alas do not have my War history books present
<3> cry: sahalee has no voice...caught up in someone elses problem
<6> Islam needs a a Pope.
<7> hmm
<1> Tim I have been saying that for AGES
<6> not just a mouth Piece.
<7> TimothyWT: east texas?
<0> 426...until Martin Luther split the believers...
<1> Cry hehe
<3> cry: can you fix voice for sahalee? he had the same thing alst night, and mrrod fixed it
<6> L0c0 : thanks.
<0> then Rome waned...
<1> Cry what about Charlegmagnes?
<0> then erupted in new fury in early 1600s
<6> The Grand Maryja is too weak and having Health Problems
<5> ok, I'm going to stop talking now, I've had a busy week and I need some rest.
<8> RussK: rest up for the super bowl
<2> ewwww
<3> cry?
<1> Cry what about during Colombus times?
<1> the world was flat?
<0> he is the one who fought the Muslims at Tours?
<2> I am wathing videos after M*** on sunday!
<0> Cloumbus' time
<5> panini: heh, actually, I'm surrounded by Seattle fans. I'm in Washington (Ft. Lewis).
<1> muslims didn't care about the world being flat
<8> Columbus was concerned about the muslim problem
<1> only christians did
<0> Religion still reigned on high then 426...
<6> Christopher Columbus ?
<5> -out-
<1> yeap most wars then were fought over religion
<1> Cry i am agreeing with you
<4> http://home.comcast.net/~frankybones/darth_pope.jpg
<8> in fact Columbus used the "muslim problem" to sell funding his trip to Queen Isabel
<1> i am trying to think of times and historical events that didn't involve some sort of religious aspect
<3> comet?
<0> the final straw in its back...was the proving of Galileo's Heliocentric theory ( which I know was expostulated much earlier ) to the common man
<1> all i can think of is the roman proletariat and senate
<1> and/or
<8> his argument to the queen was that his voyage would help spread xtianity, and help win the battle with muslims
<0> this revealed Romes actions against Galileo to be based on only the dogmatic desire to keep pwoer over man..
<8> partly on that basis, Queen Issy funded his voyage
<1> greeks, fought m***ive wars over their gods
<4> look, nobody has killed the author of this apparently --> http://www.acc.umu.se/~samhain/vectors/rapethepope.gif
<0> Dei ism started to become popular...
<1> you know what would be cool?
<1> bring Ahmadinejad to the USA
<0> if you want to see how deeply religion has run or ruined things, look at the reaction to "The Origin of Species"
<1> invite him for a ride to the international space station
<6> 426 : hahahaha
<0> hell...The Scopes Trial was in 1920's lol
<1> show him the earth from space
<1> and say "YOu want to blow all this up?"
<1> "then stop being a ****ing ****head"
<6> 426 : write to post@sistani.org your opposition against The Iranian President.
<8> `426Hemi: yeah like that would work
<3> the complaint about galileo was that he was teaching unapproved theory at the catholic school.
<1> wether it worked or not
<0> my moms friend divorced her husband in the 50s....she was excoriated in the Church by the pastor at the Sunday Sermon
<1> i bet it would change his mind about the 12th imam
<3> copernicus was the previous guy you are thinking of
<0> ttt lol
<1> he would go "uh uh uh"
<3> anyway. galileo had house arrest rather than withdraw his teaching
<0> I think Aristotle or one of that sort first proposed the heliocentric theory
<8> tttwisted: speaking of copernicus, i'm going to visit his house
<0> Galileo was still Inquisitioned for spoeaking the truth...
<3> galileo was very devout, you have to know, he did that voluntarily. he was not tortured or anything
<3> should read the story of his life
<0> that revelation later on broke the direct power of Rome
<0> I did tttwisted
<8> i watched the A&E version...
<1> the majority of the great old time scientists were devout
<0> does not matter that he was not tortured..what mattered was that hte church lied to keep its power
<3> cry: read galileo history. it is different than you might imagine
<1> davinci said no one but a divine interest could have made birds fly
<0> I read the Jacob Bronowski version
<1> "paraphrasing him" of course
<0> 426...lol spin control??
<3> galileo was devout catholic. he was not a heretic.
<1> Cry, i don't know italian that well=) hehehe
<0> his teaching of something that went directy against the dogma of the church could not be tolerated
<3> cry: it was not a lie
<0> I know this ttt
<3> well, that is the truth. the conflict was there
<3> but, it was not the ideas that were in dispute, it was galileo not getting permission, as was required at the time, for professors at the schools
<3> that was the prolblem
<1> i think the biggest problem is that the majority of islam has not been able to keep up with todays sophistication
<0> haha as if they would give permission for him to teach that which the church forced all to believe or else
<1> religion is dying and being traded in for reality
<0> religion still is around...
<1> and its upsetting ALOT of people
<3> the galileo prlbelm has been fashioned into something other thatn waht it was. it has been mischaracterized
<0> secularity is what Islam fears though...
<0> and education of the m***es
<1> the people who believe in reality are somehow supposed to treat our more naieve "brothers" like equals
<0> the Galileo problem was a problem...but it proved to be Romes ultimate undoing
<0> I have always said that belief in a deity and Morality do not go hand in hand..
<0> they don't
<1> no way
<0> but do not expect an Atheist president soon lol
<1> you don't have to be moral to believe in god
<1> and obviously believing in god doesn't make you moral
<0> you can me moral and not believe iin god...
<0> or amoral and believe in the concept
<1> exactly
<0> 426...those Catholic Priests being a good example
<1> heh not just catholic
<3> the earth being the center of the universe was old news by the time galileo was teaching. copernicus was 50 years before galileo. the problem was, galileo refused to follow the rules of what was taught at the university he was working at. and he was given house arrest. that is a different scenario thatn he was torchered by the inquisitors for saying the church lied.
<0> Pat Robertson is another
<1> baptists
<1> envagelicals
<1> whoevers
<0> I NEVER said he was tortued by the Inquisitioners..
<3> its always implied
<3> !
<0> he was called up before an Inquisitional hearing...and evidence was fabricated against him...
<3> that stuff was 50 years old by the time galileo taught\
<3> that is the essential information,
<0> tttwisted...Try reading the chapter of Galileo in "The Ascent of Man"
<1> gallileo never went against the church
<0> the DOGMA of the church was that the Earth was the center of things...
<3> true
<3> but that is not the issue here, is it?
<0> teaching Heliocentric theory was a direct challenge to their paradigm...and their power
<3> the issue is, why was galileo given house arrest
<1> heh what i like the most about the likes of Gallileo is his ability to make study out of anything available to him at the moment
<0> to prevent him from contaminating anyone else with his "Heresy"
<1> thats awesome
<0> Galileo was smart all right...but he underestimated the long arm of the Church Law
<3> galileo was awesome
<0> his successor went about the matter in a much more effective way
<0> he sent the idea out to the common man
<3> cry: its your perspective
<1> well imagine if he and Leonardo could have gotten together for a couple years?
<3> not mine
<1> worked on "projects together"
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