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<0> If trade is defined by a country selling goods to a country and China sells for one hundred per place setting, how much would it cost if there was no trade?
<1> KoBushi, the governments involvement in Business, Protectionism, Banks, and other causes has had Japan onits back for nearly 15 years, they are coming back now but they need have never gone down so low.
<2> Americans protect their farmers
<3> physically speaking, what is economic growth and why call it 'growth'?
<1> They dont have the economic means on their islands to create their wealth
<2> Subsidize the price of sugar here
<1> it comes from international trade, this is also true of the UK
<1> Fortress America will cost a fortune if we resume that view of economics.
<4> FreeTrade yeah, but some of thier subsidies have worked out in some respect... thier hybrid subsidies have helped toyota and honda greatly :P
<1> AAAman, Bush struck a comprimise which ****s, we give the 3rd world much more access to our sugar markets, and then we buy the americans excess expensive sugar and mix it with corn and 4 times the energy it produces and you have Ethanol for cars.
<0> Some islands get by on tourism and some on rum but my favorites are the ones that get by on selling their womens to me wholesale--kidding
<1> you use 4 x the BTU to create the BTU output of Ethanol
<4> alton lol
<2> Spitzer Sues Software Company Over Spyware
<1> Its sad, but trade protectionism is so strong that it artificially inflates markets.
<1> Our farmers should stop growing sugar and start growing something more profitable like soybeans, rice and other commodities
<0> free--I think I found the right guy to argue my point--even the mae is good hehe
<4> FreeTrade any time you have to "create" the fuel, you ill expend more BTUs than the fuel returns
<1> and we should de-regulate the sugar industry by which we have only harmed 3rd world nations
<1> and 3rd world nations do not buy many american products
<4> ill->will*
<1> So the better other economies do the more they ultimately buy from us
<1> Over the long term if you are the richer country your benefits are realized in many ways
<1> In the short term the small country is benefited by a fair market to sell their goods
<1> Also american consumers can pay less for sugar
<0> I think we should research into cold fusion and breeder reactors--the chinese arte doing great things and they will have a multi billion dollar market that will continue ad infinitum
<1> Over and over this is what free trade is about and how it works.
<1> Ultimately everyone benefits
<5> Stephen Harper is saying during the throne speech, "The United States is our best friend" -- Expect a new era in Canadian-US relations, a revival of 80s Mulroney-Reagan relations.
<4> Herzen what is "the throne speech" ?
<1> Empirical evidence suggests that international trade, when restricted, inhibits economic growth and, when liberalized, stimulates economic growth. Economists believe, for example, that the Smoot-Hawley tariff (which raised U.S. tariffs to an all-time high in 1930) led to retaliatory trade restrictions by other countries, which served to deepen and lengthen the worldwide depression of the 1930s
<5> KoBushi, when a new government comes in to power, they have what they call the "throne speech" which lays out the priorities for the new government during its term
<4> Herzen I see
<6> http://www.cbc.ca/listen/index.html click on special video link in the middle of the page to see his speech
<6> its comin up shortly
<5> and harper is right, the US is Canada's best friend
<2> Exterminate Thyself or DeLay resigns
<0> free--did u see ferris buellers day off and if so did you know that they told Ben Stein he could talk about anything he wanted to and he chose the Smoot Hawley tariff act
<4> alton I thnk spending money on cold fusion would be wasteful, there isn't even any evidence to suggest it exists.
<1> How can you argue with the correlation between highest protectionism and greatest depression in US History ? YOU can say its an anomaly and a correlation and deny it had any causitive effect, but then if if didnt hurt it certainly did not help..
<1> Thats the best argument you can make for it.
<0> fusion has been acheived and sustains us
<2> incumbents get re-elected at such ridiculously high rates, why resign
<0> ever heard of the sun?
<4> alton yes, fusion has... the sun isn't cold fusion
<0> why do u think we can't do it cold and haven't?
<7> delay is going down, im sure they have the goods on him
<4> alton the sheer amount of energy conversion that takes place
<1> Its no accident I took the nick FreeTrade (Free Trade) or freemrkts (Free Markets)
<2> DeLay gets most excited when he talks about having destroyed Democratic lobbyists on K Street and replaced them with Republican ones.
<8> I got this nick off a screwdriver
<0> energy gain is gain and who cares what goes into it?
<8> + head
<1> Alton, No I didnt see Ferris Buehlers day off, I would like to see it though because Ben Stein is a guy who I like and I feel almost like i know him since I have read so much about his bigraphy
<9> ben stein has a very minor role
<9> though memorable
<0> I can tell--you rep it better than I can--it is like being back in college
<0> brb
<1> I know Ben Steins father was Nixons economic advisor but he didnt understand at the time, Monetarism, or supply side.
<1> Let me think..
<1> 1972 nixon was president
<4> alton I mean, the amount of energy that is released when joining atoms; that to me axiomaticall precludes meaningful energy "producing" fusion happening at or below room temperature
<8> Nixon had all the moral of a weazel on speed
<2> Nixon elected in 68 and 72
<1> 1975 Friedman (Milton) recieved the nobel prize in economics for Monetarism theory.
<1> But we didnt implement it in our economy until 1979 when Paul VOlcker introduced it.
<4> StanleyI moral as in like immoral, or as in "troop moral is high" ?
<8> When Americans replaced Nixon with Ford..there was never an election process for the VP
<4> neither way make sense with a squirl analog :P
<8> morals..Nixon had none
<1> VP automatically takes the place of a president when he stands down or dies. Hmm Or did he need senate approval ? I think its automatic but I could be wrong.
<1> I am sure its automatic if the president dies
<1> or if he is incapacitated to discharge his duties.
<8> The VP under Ford was not even elected
<1> I forget who it was ;) Ford was such a non eventful presidency.. let me think..... Trying to think of an old slogan or something
<1> Ford and .....
<1> Ford was probably the least controversial president except his attempt to control energy prices backfired.
<1> As did his surplus profits tax..
<0> in regard to cold fusion please read the last paragraph and if u disagree you can take it up with them
<0> http://prorev.com/coldfusion.htm
<7> in a matter of months delay has gone from majority leader to resign, cunningham is convicted of the worst bribery in congressional history, and Ney is about go down as unnamed representative #1 in the abramoff case
<0> Rockefeller and then Bob Doile ran with him against Carter
<0> or I could be wrong
<8> The electoral college system does not give Americans much of a choice
<1> Abum, Nothing like 3 of Clintons closest ***ociated being charged with and CONVICTED of felonies within a relatively short time period. he was the only partner in white water along with his wife who was not convicted of a felony
<1> Btu his wifes ex boss and then law partner was convicted of a felony
<0> tch watergate everynight merr merr merr
<1> Im not sure that these things effect elections much is my point.
<1> People dont look at thier candidates for relection in terms of He belongs to the Party of Delay
<10> I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying that I approved of it. <--- gotta love Mark Twain
<1> or something like that.. They look at him, his credibility (or hers), his plan for the state and so on.
<1> And they vote on the basis of local politics not national.
<7> does this have anything to do with clinton...no
<7> this is republican scandal across the country
<0> free--I love going to lib websites and reading their crazed nonsense--they seem to hasve been hypnotized into beleiving that Bush is going to run in 2008 or they atleast sound that weay
<8> one day americans are going to have to focus on the economy
<1> The only poll I think which was affected by national politics was north Dakota because the people there loved his support of farm subsidies but they didnt like his leftwing social agenda in a conservative state. so Thune won..
<1> Harry Reid might want to learn a lesson from that.
<0> I think the economy is okay but the debt is an outrage by any standard
<1> Nevada is pretty conservative in some ways.
<1> But this was the leader of the senate.
<1> So it was more than local politics.
<8> 3 more years in Iraq at a billion a week
<1> YOu dont think the cost will decline over time ?
<1> Logically it would.
<7> why would it
<8> Has it declined in the last 3 years?
<1> It would because they are going to draw down troops
<7> oh really
<1> also US Casualty rates have come way down.
<8> dream on
<0> it has declined m***ively and the billion a week number is conjecture anyway
<7> they are currently building permanent bases
<1> Less infantry expenses as the Iraqis do most of the fighting
<8> Iraq cannot even form a govt to govern the nation
<11> http://www.sas.org/tcs/weeklyIssues_2006/2006-04-07/feature1p/index.html <-- scary stuff
<4> Hum, I didn't realize it, but my state has a income tax that goes down to $0/year income heh
<0> it makes more sense to have troops in Iraq than it does to have them in Germany or Jpan
<1> Yes but the military is taking on responsibility from the coalition thats a fact, and US casualty rates are way down. thats also a fact.
<8> If you do not have a govt in Iraq how can you establish any sort of law and order
<4> State income tax for $0 - $12,750; 6%
<12> Abusive Domain or User
<1> Yes and there is a cost of having a military period so how much is truely supplemental and how much would we spend on these troops in germany or Florida ?
<7> at this point i dont believe any prediction of bush and co
<8> US has over 145 bases outside the USA
<7> they are so often wrong
<1> I am not using any Bush predictions,.
<0> My state ( CT ) was funded entirely by sales tax and they got people to beleive that if there was an income tax the sales tax would be reduced and it would be on the rich. Of coursde the Democraps really meant that the income tax would be on everyone and they boosted the sales tax right basck up
<1> I am usign logic and current facts to consider the future costs declining.
<1> More Iraqis are fighting, Less americans are
<1> That means eventually some come home
<1> and it means less money spent in the field.
<8> eventually...?
<7> more iraqis are fighting each other
<1> Less casualties costs less money as well.
<8> who is going to govern the Iraqi troops if they cannot even form a govt?
<1> Right now I think 50% of the fighting force in Iraq is Iraqi, But Dont quote me..
<1> Its substantial however much it is.
<1> We are using Iraqi soilders to restore order in places
<1> Well BBIAb
<5> Whooo
<1> Got to go for awhile
<8> If 140,000 US troops plus the Iraqi's cannot establish law and order..who can?
<5> Stephen Harper just called the US our Best friend
<1> Thats good Herzen because I felt their relations in Mexico were a little cold because canada objected to the p***port thing for the US border crossing.
<1> But that might of been misperception on my part.
<1> IM glad he said that though.
<1> Canada and America united would make us both stronger.
<1> bbl
<8> Why would the Canadians want to unite with the USA?
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