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Comments:
<0> USSR wasn't anywhere near as well controlled as NK.
<1> Glock21: Weren't the problems of the Russian people a result of "American Imperialism"
<2> The Russians knew what was going on in the world
<0> There's a good possibility that in a war situation with NK that dissent could suddenly spread rapidly... but how the NK gov't reacts to it could kill it off before it gets out of control.
<1> Glock21: Kim Jung Il is a terrible wall that has seperated the Korean people for too long. I have a particular interest in asian culture(I'm white) and from my Korean friends and their parents viewpoints, I cannot imagine the majority of NK's people would support Kim Jung Il if the US/SK forces invaded
<0> I think there is a chance that they'd be able to revolt... but it is far from guaranteed.
<3> You think the US or anybody got spies in the North Korean government?
<2> Why would they revolt against their savior?
<1> imo, the biggest reason Kim Jung Il is still in power is because the world knows he will strike against the NK people if anyone tries to remove him
<3> They should use some futuristic satellite laser beam to take him out.
<2> He will obliterate S Korea!
<1> Alkaiser: that's what I'm talking about
<1> lol
<3> They can't get any ******ins close enough to Kim Jong-Il so that's the only way.
<0> The chance would be far greater if the upper echelon of Kim's personality cult were nailed... a great number of the remaining gov't superiors would probably end the whole mess fairly quickly since they are far more aware of how things work.
<2> We could kill him--that would be logical
<3> North Korea has only 4 television stations Korean Central Television, Mansudae Television, Korean Educational and Cultural Network, and Kaesong Television targeting South Korea.
<1> Glock21: I will write a few papers on this after Ahmadinejad is hung until his toes stop twitching. By the Iranian revolutionaries of course
<0> Cut off the head of the personality cult and the people will be far more responsive to the propaganda that lets them know all about what was going on.
<3> How do you get close to that guy when he has almost the whole population of the country under his control?
<0> The Iran situation is different since they are beholden to an ideal, not a single man.
<0> You cut off the head of the Iranian gov't and the ideal remains that the people are loyal to.
<3> Iran won't be much more difficult then Iraq in my opinion.
<3> North Korea will be a real war.
<0> Depends on what is attempted with Iran.
<1> Ahmadinejad is probably a puppet of the Russian mafia
<4> glock should i go to bed
<1> LOL
<0> Just giving them a smack down wouldn't be so bad... trying to occupy it... would go to ****ing hell in a hand basket.
<4> hey youre just using the word aghast because i used it earlier tonight
<4> .
<2> Stalin was the most brutal tyrant I know of and his soldiers would fight to the death knowing that if they didn't they would face a fate worse than death
<0> redfish... no. Sleep is the ultimate sin.
<4> sleep is for the weak
<1> Alkaiser Iran and Iraq, two different situations
<1> two different conflicts
<1> simple as taht
<3> If they invade Iran they'll have 2 fronts, the Iranian army will be in complete chaos.
<1> Alkaiser: I highly doubt any ground force will invade Iran in significant number
<3> Afghanistan (with possible help from the Afghan armed forces) from the East, and Iraq from the West.
<3> Plus heavy bombardment of Iran, most of the Iranian army will either desert or surrender just like with Iraq.
<3> The only problem will be insurgency.
<0> Then pakistan fundies take over in a coup and get their hands on nukes.
<0> Mmm...
<2> I suspect that we have plans to use EMP weapons against the Paki nukes
<0> Meanwhile a new oil embargo causes severe damage to the US economy while we're trying to fund a war.
<0> Potential collapse of the value of the dollar causes a global economic panic... a second great global depression ensues.
<0> w00t
<1> not the Iranian Oil Bourse?
<3> I doubt if Pakistan's missiles could make it as far as the US.
<0> Missiles?
<0> heh
<3> They only have 4 missiles deployed.
<0> They could drive one there.
<5> yeah they dont seem to be in possesion of balistic nuclear warheads
<1> Alkaiser: well...lemme check somtin
<3> NM
<0> send one by shipment into the harbor.
<5> lol
<3> My bad, not 4.
<2> brb
<1> Alkaiser: they have missiles that can travel 2,000km
<0> The last thing they'd do is launch one with a definite known origin so that we could instantly retaliate and vaporize them.
<3> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghauri here's one
<1> Alkaiser: I have a perfect place for you
<1> one sec
<1> Alkaiser: http://www.carnegieendowment.org/npp/
<1> BAM
<1> reliable information you can cite whenever the f you want
<1> www.defenselink.ml
<1> too
<0> The scariest nuke delivery system today isn't with a missile... it's a refrigerator unit, in a shipping crate heading into the harbor.
<1> well
<1> yeah
<6> you talking about torpedos?
<6> those will be launched from expendable rafts
<1> AlkaiseR: Pakistan has from 50-110 Nuclear warheads
<0> Nah... talking about sending a vending machine with the proper paper work for delivery to the US.
<0> Picked up, signed for... driven in a truck into the middle of DC.
<3> 24-48 I read
<1> Alkaiser: are you sure that isn't active?
<0> McVeigh didn't need canons to take down the federal building... he just drove right up to it and set the **** off.
<2> I think they could use a regular pleasure boat and sail it right into a port
<1> Glock21: If there is another successful terrorist strike on US soil it will come from somewhere else
<1> IMO
<0> The ideal terror attack wouldn't have a known source.
<1> A nuke in a van is just too obviouis
<0> Some group operating from an unknown location taking credit... leaving the source country off the hook.
<2> we can source the uranium from the radio signature
<0> We can source some of the other nuclear particles to major nuke players.
<2> we can source bios too--such as that anthrax terrorism--that was our stuff
<0> But with the pakis, the Indians, the NK... it'll probably all come out looking the same...
<1> A terror attack from an unknown source is going to be next to impossible
<7> sourcing only matters once its delivered or found
<0> all will deny missing any... none of it is officially accounted for anyways.
<6> the anthrax ****er got away with it
<0> Hell... best bet would be to disguise it as an old russian nuke.
<2> unless we covertly shot the SOB
<1> Glock21: yep. Pin it on the Russians
<1> stir up international chaos and fear
<1> a perfect terrorist strike
<0> Well we'd know the russians didn't do it... but we also would have no idea who really did.
<2> I would like to see us get more active in securing the Russian stocks
<7> no? we'd know a lot. what reactor it came from, where the leak was and there is always at least one person who started it.
<7> takes finding it, not a detonation
<0> Setgtoney... in the best case scenario we could determine that.
<7> in the worst case scenario we could
<0> And when it comes up as something we've never seen before that doesn't match any of the big players... which country do we blame?
<7> detonation doesnt cleanly wipe all traces...we found that out a long time ago. radiation patterns at the zero plus the fact that explosive detonation doesnt always wipe everything out ever
<7> its an exclustion at that point...you still know more than nothing
<2> we know the worlds radioactrive signatures
<0> Oh goody... we'd know it's not our allies who did it.
<2> pub--they're noit really a country you know?
<1> alton: huh?
<7> even if it were, we'd know by what process it was manufactured
<0> We don't know NKs process.
<7> werent that is
<0> We barely know pakis.
<1> Glock21: we've got a lot of pictures of NK
<2> the uranium itself has a signature
<0> As more of these despot nations acquire the tech and give it to others... gets even more unknown.
<1> they complained about 180 spy planes on mission in Februrary
<1> LOL
<7> yeah we do...its the same all around. its the raw materials that give the signature plus enrichment levesl
<0> And if they get the raw materials from a major player... like from some of the leftover russian stock?
<2> pub--Canada--" they're not really a country anyway" from the SP song
<1> North Korea claimed Friday that U.S. spy planes had surveyed strategic targets and military installations in the communist nation on more than 180 aerial espionage missions last mont
<1> An overseas-based E-3 AWACS airborne command plane also was in the area to direct more than 2,000 fighters involved in a week of U.S.-South Korean joint military exercises, the North's official Korean Central News Agency reported, citing a military source.
<7> we know where it came from and the enrichment process
<1> http://english.pravda.ru/news/world/31-03-2006/78179-0
<0> Yeah... we'll know it was from russia.
<1> waaaaahhhhm, the Americans are spying on us!
<0> **** we should have spent more money on securing their old stockpiles.
<7> the yeild will eliminate most nations
<0> Now we're glowing in the dark.
<0> That'll be helpful.
<7> no it can be russian pure and they can sneak it into any port ....sure it will be called russian nuke
<2> if Muslims had Russian material they would use iot to threaten Moscow
<1> North Korea releases tallies of alleged U.S. spy flights every month. The U.S. military doesn't comment, although it acknowledges monitoring North Korean military activity, reports the AP.
<0> I'd say other factors will reveal the source if it cannot be chemically traced... but we're still talking about the ability to retaliate after the fact. Still not a good situation.
<1> LOL
<7> but we know what process created it, where it was processed and possibly at that point how it got out
<7> it never is a good situation
<2> If BinLaden had it that would be the end of NYC or Phillie--I am guessing Phillie
<7> he hates cheesestakes
<0> We might be able to convince ourselves that we could retaliate with fool-proof accuracy... but some despot might think he found a way through.
<7> no its certain any person with a determination can find their way through
<7> the response is whats important
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