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<0> Twobar, you know better, they would have never let go
<1> You can care for living creature and be concerned about their genetic future without the falsehoods of religion
<2> occ: ok then. The year is 2058; the place: New Los Angeles. The Mexican:American ratio in the USA is now 5:1 - immigration laws haven't changed since 2006, and there are 1 billion mexicans living in the USA. Suddenly, their religious leader calls for them to take over the USA... from within. Fortunately, they are armed with dull spoons, while all americans have guns.
<3> and I would say again, that by the fruits you can judge, cause a good tree does not bear bad fruit
<4> JanetB - topping that, it is probably intended to refer to 'do not judge (oneself) and ....'
<5> Tailor no, it , like all the little scandals they've tried to lay on Bush, just fallen away
<6> JanetB: Still, in the end it's not up to you.
<2> occ: the mexican hordes are coming for you, armed with dull spoon. Do you start shooting? There is no reasoning with them. They will not stop until they have conquered america and killed all americans.
<5> anyway, nytol
<3> MrRod.. I never said it was up to me
<4> there is no You in the end MrRod
<4> think abotu it
<3> but the gate is narrow
<4> there is no you
<0> Wait!
<4> when you are no more
<7> sure i would, hernick
<7> id kill without hesitation
<2> occ: then you believe in killing, when it suits your purposes?
<7> if this dubious scenario you're describing would happen
<7> i said before
<6> JanetB: Does that mean Scientologists don't get through?
<7> ill kill to preserve my own life
<7> i make no bones about it
<1> There's no other way to put it, religion is a giant hoax.. and the beleif in specifics of any religion are almost surely wrong
<8> MrRod: I think it means that only Phelps' family can get through
<3> MrRod.. again for the 10th time I do not judge ones salvation.. I am not God
<6> occ: Would you kill to save your fluffy Yorkshire Terrier?
<8> that'd explain why he's praying for everyone to rot in hell
<7> heh
<3> thankfully God is far more merciful than I am
<7> if i had a fluffy yorkshire terrier, then, no
<7> i wouldnt kill to save its life
<6> JanetB: One would hope so.
<2> occ: well, let's take a more reasonable scenario. America is under attack by evildoers, and must kill lots of them to restore security. Do you support a state that kills people, do you give it taxes and vote to support an essential war, essential state-sponsored killing?
<7> come on, you guys
<4> well, kill or not, it's damn interesting aftwards either way
<7> try to get me in a corner, already ;)
<8> JanetB: a lot more powerful, though, if what you say is correct.
<8> what the hell are you going to do if someone doesn't meet your standards of existence?
<6> I need a haircut.
<8> mebbe /ignore 'em?
<7> thats pretty broad, hernick -- id have to evaluate the specific situation
<4> I need to open a bare hands game hunt/reserve
<6> Ok, people. I'm off to get my ice cream.
<2> occ: you may not be in immediate danger, but surely you support killing in your name, the state your proxy
<9> Another nutcase in Ontario lost it, killed his family, himself, and burned down his house.
<3> tweet.. I do not ***ociate with them.. I am not in the habit of ***ociating with rapists and molesters.
<3> but hey, if you want to be my guest
<10> hey
<9> What the hell is wrong with those people?
<10> Pickle: they're Ontarians - they have no regard for human life
<4> pre-load the land with a few black bears
<11> Pickle: who knows, maybe he took the wrong meds
<12> Pickle: modern liberalism got to them...they realized how empty their lives were because of it :P
<2> occ: specific situation? What about WW2? Would you support the m*** killing of innocent german and japanese women and children, by firebombing the cities that serve as communications, production and supply centers for their armies?
<13> Tom DeLay is quitting politics!!! yay! :) :) :) -- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4874566.stm
<11> i saw a pretty convincing report on how certain meds for ....forget the disease....cause compulsive behavior, people with 500k houses losing it ALL in under a year after starting these meds
<13> bwahahaaha
<11> meds are evil unless they save you literally
<11> ;p
<10> e-hernick: yes
<8> Pickle: specifically?
<10> the Nazis, Fascists and Japanese had to be stopped
<9> tweek: Specifically he spoke at an institution founded by Falwell, who he had previously compared to Louis Farrakhan in terms of extremism.
<13> now let's see if delay lands in jail
<2> Swigert: indeed. they had to. the firebombings were unfortunate but justified.
<14> .save
<14> whoops
<13> and if rove and libby will follow him
<10> e-hernick: so was the atomic bomb
<14> sorry wrong window ;)
<9> Er, wait, not Fallwell, Robertson.
<15> and bush, and cheney too
<9> I always get those two losers mixed up.
<8> Robertson's m***ive army of dumb****s != Robertson himself
<15> rumesfeld...
<14> swiggy :)
<2> Swigert: I agree, the nuke was a great show of force. the only thing is that I'd have detonated one on a city and the other in tokyo bay, but that's just armchair generalship
<13> well, let's not get too optimistic, chuckzito
<8> I'm pretty sure that most that watch the 700 Club have no idea how ****ed he is
<2> Swigert: occ was saying that his personal ethos prohibits killing - and he didn't add any escape clause. I'm saying that very few people believe in not killing - there are too many circumstances where you have to kill, or to kill by proxy.
<10> e-hernick: it saved so many Allied and Japanese lives - of course I can't imagine a time or place when the use of nuclear weapons would not be controversial.
<9> tweek: Nonetheless, it is a message of reconciliation to the far right.
<9> Which I think is about as sincere as Hillary's.
<8> the hell does he have to answer for anyway?
<10> e-hernick: remember those peace activists released in Iraq a couple of weeks ago?
<15> Would it be right to kill 3000 people to advance a geostrategic objective?
<4> sure
<4> depends
<2> Swigert: the japanese shouldn't have started a war, and they deserved to be nuked. It was a deadly wake-up call, but necessary. I agree that it probably saved many lives.
<10> so 9/11 was justified? I don't think so.
<4> on how righteous one was
<15> What if those 3000 people were your own citizens
<4> Chuck -if you are righteous, doesn't matter what you do
<4> in such a mindset that is
<15> not to mention the hundreds of thousands of poor Iraqis, of course!
<10> e-hernick: those peaceniks believe on one hand, that war is only acceptable as a last resort; but on the other hand, war is never justifiable. It's a paradox.
<9> tweek: Issues ranging from his stance on campaign financing (which wound up hurting the far right more than the left) to abortion clearly show him to be at best a moderate Republican. To say nothing of the fact that McCain has in the past encouraged Democrats to vote for him at open Republican primaries.
<4> bah - screw all that chuckzito, gotta look at the big pitcher
<9> Which is just plain ****ed.
<7> whatd i miss?
<15> Whats the big picture?
<4> the ends will justify the means chickzito
<7> i had to grab a snack
<8> ... hmm, I'm not sure I agree with that
<15> Big picture benefits the big guys
<15> always
<4> this is an ends war, not a means war
<8> the GOP will only elect the most high-ranked, most plausible circle-jerker, in general
<4> I do wonder if 30 years is realistic
<8> by encouraging Dems to vote in the GOP primary, you at least have a chance of swaying them
<15> What a time to be alive!
<2> ChuckZito: tell me, do you agree that the US government had no specific prior knowledge of the events of 9/11 and no way to prevent those events, and that the attacks were organised by arab terrorists with no significant ties to any first-world country?
<15> And dead!
<9> tweek: Well, take it from McCain himself: http://www.vote-smart.org/npat.php?can_id=S0061103
<4> no clue on that e-Hernick - I just want to know why France was first in line moments later
<4> to call up heh
<15> e-hernick no i could not agree with that
<4> I ask - did France know ? heh
<8> I believe the initiative could definitely be viewed as one of two very, very bad things:
<15> i would have to suspend all common sense
<15> and operate on pure faith
<4> I can see France 'we left a message'
<8> 1) him influencing the party to the left (bad)
<8> 2) him trying to win an election by doing so (worse)
<16> hi
<8> anyway, abortion's political football anyway. you'll have candidates against, for, whatever, 10% will worship him as the new God or something, 10% will burn effigys, some will vote for, some will vote against... ****, it's going on for like 4 decades now
<16> Damn I'm busty
<2> September 10th, 2001, Paris. Chiraq picks up the red phone to America. "You have reached President W. Bush, who doesn't like you very much. Please leave a message!" "Mr.President! The terrorists are planning to strike tomorrow! Please, I hope you take this message... If you don't get it in time, well, France offers its condolences...", said Chirac. And so it went.
<4> perhaps
<8> until the pro-life crowd realizes what a ****ing circus their crusade has become, they'll never get anywhere
<15> Even if 9/11 was "encouraged" (at the least) by our own government... The prospect of a m*** awakening and acceptance of this is pretty scary
<15> That has been my thought lately
<15> I still like to be informed for personal reasons though
<2> ChuckZito: do you believe that the US government encouraged or allowed the events of 9/11 to take place/
<15> I cant keep my head in the sand
<4> I do wonder why Chiraq was so damn pushy though, see ? I have the useless ponderances on 9/11- such as - why was France so eager to call up minutes after
<9> I think we're a few elections away from a Democrat and Republican running on a single-ticket.
<4> pickle - yeah
<2> Pickle: I bet it'll happen in "the west wing"
<15> e-hernick yes i'm fairly confident in that
<4> then the people feel real helpless saying, wow, non-partisan wasn't any better
<15> have been for years
<17> Well that's two crooks down. Delay and Cry Baby Cunningham
<15> and just gathering more "coincidences" to store away in my brain
<15> over all these years
<8> Pickle: heh, tell me about it
<10> bring back Richard Nixon's head
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