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Comments:
<0> I seem to have contradicted you prior to your post
<0> Next time type faster and it will look like I am responding to you, I must of read your midn.
<0> But no i dont deny Bush has a lot of faults.
<0> But name a president who didnt.
<1> Reagan!
<0> On Balance hes a great man.. His intentions are most Noble.
<0> heh
<0> News is just starting, Well I did enough bidding for today
<0> I need to build up commercial time so When I go watch the news I can skip all the commercials.
<0> its being recorded
<2> does Brit air live out on the west coast?
<0> 3:15 and I can see the entire news without any commercials.
<1> yeah
<3> <@FreeTrade> On Balance hes a great man.. His intentions are most Noble. <-- the road to hell is paved with good intentions
<1> xm
<1> bbc channels
<0> Lupine yep at 3:pm and again at 10:pm
<2> the auto-skip on the DVR doesn't work reliably here
<0> Kardos, Well hes produced results unlike Wilson and his allegedly noble deeds
<0> though Wilson said he was promoting American democracy
<0> Bush says he is promoting democracy which looks different in every culture
<4> "I also know he [Bush] is not the one makign the decisions"
<0> He is if anything acknowleging that the US Way isnt the Best way for everyone.
<0> Unlike Wilson the democrat who thought Our way was not just the best way, but the only way.
<0> Panini, Was that the idiot teacher ?
<4> yup
<0> he probably thinks Cheney is in DC Even though bush is hammering out historic treaties and deals in Indian... 1000s of miles away from Cheney
<0> INdia not Indian
<0> India
<0> ****ing democratic pussies have always tried to say puppets controlled any successful Republian leader
<0> its their byline
<0> Despite not only evidence but proof to the contrary.
<0> Reagan re wrote a lot more speeches than Clinton did.
<0> And Reagans were actually interesting.
<2> WOW: http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/fiscr111802.html
<5> pfft, all this hubbub over the wiretaps and the Patriot Act, senate p***es it's renewal 89 - 10
<5> I wonder who the 10 were that voted against it
<1> OH
<1> thats easy
<2> The FISA court was trying to *ORDER* the executive branch to do all kinds of things.
<1> I bet we can list em without looking
<1> Kennedy
<1> Feinstein
<1> reid
<1> levine
<2> This "warrantless search" was less about the warrants, and MORE about not allowing the FISA court dictate to the executive branch
<1> exactly
<2> To ensure the Justice Department followed these strictures the court also fashioned what the government refers to as a chaperone requirement; that a unit of the Justice Department, the Office of Intelligence Policy and Review (OIPR) (composed of 31 lawyers and 25 support staff), be invited to all meetings between the FBI and the Criminal Division involving consultations for the purpose of coordinating efforts to investigate or protect
<2> what the **** does the FISA court think it's job is?
<2> The court apparently believes it can approve applications for electronic surveillance only if the governments objective is not primarily directed toward criminal prosecution of the foreign agents for their foreign intelligence activity. But the court neither refers to any FISA language supporting that view, nor does it reference the Patriot Act amendments, which the government contends specifically altered FISA to make clear that an appli
<2> So, the court of review over the FISA court.. finds the FISA court was acting in all kinds of improper, and probably illegal ways.
<6> Hmm... yes, #politics
<0> Fairfax, VA-The National Rifle ***ociation (NRA ) has filed a motion for contempt against the City of New Orleans, the mayor and the acting chief of police for failure to comply with a temporary restraining order, handed down September 12, 2005, ordering an end to all illegal gun confiscations.
<0> Hey Yaak
<0> This is an interesting story
<6> Hello, FreeTrade.
<0> "With looters, rapists and other thugs running rampant in New Orleans, Ray Nagin issued an order to disarm all law-abiding citizens," declared Wayne LaPierre, NRA executive vice president. "With no law enforcement and 911 available, he left the victims vulnerable by stripping away their only means of defending themselves and their loved ones. Now Ray Nagin thinks he's above the law, and that's just wrong."
<7> Nuclear technology for mangos
<0> Boy I want to see a 2nd amendment case go all the way to the Supreme court with the present course
<7> "..the United States is looking forward to eating Indian mangos."
<7> haha
<0> thats a 100,000 times more important to me than abortion
<1> yes
<8> ...did I just get banned?
<8> nvm, that was earlier...
<6> Vay|AFK: Actually, it was the opposite.
<8> eh?
<6> +v is, in effect, the opposite of +b.
<3> no, -b is opposite of +b
<6> Which is linguistically, or at least alphabetically, interesting.
<6> Kardos: Not from the point of view of the person in the channel.
<6> Kardos: Only from the person outside the channel.
<9> point made
<3> -v and +v would be opposites to channel dwellers
<10> oh god - Why didn't the EverQuest box say not for children under 3
<6> Kardos: OK.
<11> well i know the rot13 of b is o but not sure you should op people that you dont want banned
<12> I would LOVE to see Nagin brought up on constitutional grounds...then sent to prison for the grand larceny he has pulled
<2> FT: A suit against the NY/NYC port authority has just been filed by a man, because they regularly violate a federal law, pertaining to interstate transport of firearms.
<6> Hello, pilgrim`.,
<12> not to mention other ***orted felonies
<2> pil: love to see every cop who stole a new caddy go down for "grant theft auto"
<12> hola Yaakov ltn
<3> no, you don't rot13... you would do a "1 minus" to it, so z-b=x
<12> Lupine if the shoe fits....
<6> I trust you are well.
<2> pilgrim: check this out: http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/fiscr111802.html
<12> Yaakov mudlin thru be ;)
<13> 'hello pilgrim' is a pixies album
<1> what is that about
<6> pilgrim`: Better than not.
<2> pub: basically, the FISA court's attempt to re-organize the executive branch, gettin gthe bitch slapped out of it by the Court of Review, which was upheld by the supreme court.
<2> The FISA courts decision and order not only misinterpreted and misapplied minimization procedures it was entitled to impose, but as the government argues persuasively, the FISA court may well have exceeded the constitutional bounds that restrict an Article III court.
<12> bud I am Just a Pilgrim http://www.diamondcomics.com/news/2001/11_19_01/just_pilgrim.html
<2> We also think the refusal by the FISA court to consider the legal significance of the Patriot Acts crucial amendments was error. AKA: flagrantly violated the Patriot Act law :-)
<12> http://laurent.cujus.free.fr/image_bd/pilgrim.jpg
<1> scew fisa
<12> Lupien I read it...looks liek weasel talk ta me
<1> nosy legislatures that want CIA info
<1> haha
<14> ahhhhh
<1> j.k
<6> Hello, CometBaby.
<14> mod is back
<14> hey yaak !!!!!
<2> the Court of Review did one more thing, something that has repercussions in todays surveillance controversy. Not only could the FISA Court not tell the president how do to his work, the Court of Review said, but the president also had the inherent authority under the Constitution to conduct needed surveillance without obtaining any warrant from the FISA Court or anyone else.
<14> nice to see you :)
<6> How are you?>
<14> doing great thx :)
<14> and you?
<6> Oops, young one needs me.
<6> BBIAB
<14> ok
<1> howy
<1> howdy*
<14> hey pub :)
<7> hehe, administration puts out press release celebrating p***age of part of Patriot Act
<2> TIME LINE: October 2001: Patriot Act becomes law. 2002: FISA court violates the Patriot act numerious times. May 2002 FISA court orders a re-orginization of Executive Branch. Bush Administration Appeals court order. September 2002 FISA Court of Review rules: FISA court broke law *AND* Power to wiretap warrantless inherent powr to the President. FISA court appeals to US SUpreme Court. USSC allows ruling that the president has "inherent au
<1> hahaha
<1> 89-10
<2> http://www.nationalreview.com/nrd/p.php?i=20060227&v=t&a=7641
<1> what happened to the NSA spying????
<2> http://www.fas.org/irp/agency/doj/fisa/fiscr111802.html
<7> they put it out 'bout an hour before the actual vote on the issue
<2> pub: read up :-)
<14> l0co .. the dems didn't want to vote against the patriot act .. they just wanted to raise a stink. Its the same with the port issue.
<14> none of them are calling for an end of the deal .. just for a *delay* :)
<1> hehe
<2> Comet: and now we know why the democrat leadership do not want a "full public" investigation of the Warrantless wiretaps. Bush has already won in FISA court of review on the issue, and the USSC allowed said ruling to stand :-)
<1> Just poking at...liberals!
<6> CometBaby: Yongest is sick.
<6> n
<6> CometBaby: Unfortunately, he will be the harbinger of things to come.
<2> "The important point isand here we agree with the governmentthe Patriot Act amendment, by using the word significant, eliminated any justification for the FISA court to balance the relative weight the government places on criminal prosecution as compared to other counterintelligence responses"
<14> wolfy . hehe
<6> CometBaby: I hope to avoid it, but chances are I will succumb.
<14> yaakov .. ack. Yeah .. they are pretty generous with their germs
<1> Bird flu????
<6> CometBaby: I am using lots of hand sanitizer.
<12> thing is...I see what they are doing now and to a degree agree. NOW...supose Hillary won...and had the Patriot Act as her private tool?
<1> hehe
<14> yaakov yes that a washing hands .. best defense
<12> I am sure it would get her off
<2> pil: well, if it is a power inherent to the powers of the president.. we'ld have to admend the constitution.
<2> "The government claims that even prosecutions of non-foreign intelligence crimes are consistent with a purpose of gaining foreign intelligence information so long as the governments objective is to stop espionage or terrorism by putting an agent of a foreign power in prison."
<12> Lupine would we? Rememebr FDR?
<14> yaak they have all those lovely boogers and then they get a kiss and wham .. you get it
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