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<0> some are still made in america, but more and more, they are not
<1> I didn't see them until recently
<2> another truly great movie was the ten commandments
<1> great films, but I don't feel my age group has any connection(historically) to the mob
<0> great
<0> somebody left a fetus in the toilet at a local hs
<3> ew\
<4> sick
<1> haha
<1> haven't seen it
<5> damn
<1> hestons?
<1> Star Wars is my fav....
<4> yuck
<5> Can you find a Headline for that fetus ?
<4> RobVanDam, are you in CA by any chance?
<1> a pig fetus?
<0> ThomasWT: it was just on the news... channel 10 in albany, abc
<2> Rob I blame a lot of this lack of respect for life, on NOW type feminists, and places like Planned Parenthood.
<0> Publius: well anyone who would do that to a kid.... has to be some sort of lower life
<4> cuz CA now has a 72 hr return policy on babies
<2> PP is the largest provider of abortions in the country
<0> lol return policy
<4> no questions asked
<2> and their *** Ed programs encourage promiscuity
<4> i'm serious
<2> which is good for the business they are in
<0> promiscuity is cool, but not using proper protection is not
<0> humans are promiscuous by nature
<2> PP's founder, Margaret Sange once said "The most merciful thing a large family can do to one of it's infant members, is to kill it"
<4> this law was p***ed to attempt to avoid the babies in the dumpster... but it hasn't really worked
<0> now when you get married, yea time to end promiscuity :)
<2> Rob you know what is cool? Something called personal respoinsibilty and self control.
<1> sounds like Chinese population control
<1> o_O
<3> Rob: glad I'm not married yet then :D
<2> its really really cool for babies
<2> who are totally dependent
<0> I sais PROPER PROTECTION
<1> abstinance has been known to work as well
<2> the left calls anyone who opposes abortion "political religious extremists"
<2> this must include the majority of Americans who loathe the idea of partial birth abortions
<4> anyway, in CA if you are not satisfied with your baby, you can return it within 72 hrs with no penalty. There are designated drop-off stations of babies and you can drop them there, no questions asked
<5> I am against Abortion
<0> anybody who is rational is against it tom
<2> pani, well I approve. Anyone who sincerely does not want their baby, should have a place to take it.
<2> rather than throw it in the trash, or try to flush it down the toilet
<2> 18 yr.. old sweethearts from New Jersey, delivered their baby boy .. then put it in a trash bag and dumped him in a trash bin (in freezing temps)
<1> ooh...finally a US mil/entertaining documentary(or film) about the War in Iraq
<1> come out this weekend?
<2> the baby was born alive but died from a crushed skull
<2> how could they do such a cruel thing ..
<6> War Tapes is coming out very soon promo copies are at radio stations.
<2> I'll tell you why
<2> abortion and euthanasia have dulled their conscience
<2> a baby has no value
<0> war tapes? nice
<2> that baby's whole right to life .. is based on *if* he is wanted
<0> what about euthanasia to people who want to die?
<0> and pets
<2> Rob what about it?
<0> if someone wants to die, they should be allowed to
<2> I do not equate pets with humans
<5> I found women who get pregnant and become bulimic are planning to abort the baby by starving itself in the stomach.
<2> rob .. what if the Dr. is wrong when he says that you only have six months left?
<0> killing pets is euthanasia
<2> I do not equate pets with humans
<2> two different issues
<0> what about people who want to die?
<0> do you think euthanasia is wrong?
<2> Rob .. there are places where you can go to die. Hospices. They do not advance any life saving measures.
<2> you don't have to ask someone to kill you
<2> what if the person is just depressed?
<0> CometBaby: and what if the patient wants to die anyway? in extreme pain and misery
<0> not to die in extreme pain and misery :) if they are in it
<2> that stuff p***es you know
<2> Rob you are obviously not familiar with hospices
<2> they do not die in pain
<2> they are doped to the max .. placed in a beautiful room that looks like a fantastic bedroom .. ever need is tended to, but they take NO life extending measures.
<2> no medicines
<2> nothing that will make you live longer .. yet you are in no pain whatsoever
<7> Well I am not so sure about no pain whatsoever
<7> I have spent a lot of time in hospices since 1994
<2> its a dignified way to go
<2> rond I was in one not too long ago when my MIL died. It was a very dignified death.
<2> and no .. she did not suffer.
<7> Well you might need to see more than one
<2> have you been in one recently?
<7> yes and home hospice as well
<7> I have buried around 15 people since 1994
<2> well, home hospice is much more *ify* because it all depends on the quality of the nurse.
<7> but I don't know of a better way to die than in a hospoice
<7> I don't know that to think about euthnasia
<7> I have had a reoccuring thought everytime I have buried one of my suffering older relatives
<2> rond, its a tough issue
<7> that one of the last great acts a love one can do for you
<2> a person might want to commit suicide because of treatable depression
<2> most of the time the reasons are psychological
<7> is to show you the path to a dignified death
<2> depression, dependence on others
<2> tired of living sick
<7> because a dignified death many times from my expercience also depends on how the person dying just does it
<2> these things are all treatable
<2> fear being a burden on their family
<7> even in the worst case scenarios I have seen, the dying person has to push through quite a bit even to the very last
<2> these are not good reasons for death
<2> what really scares me .. is that a right to die .. may become a DUTY to die ..
<7> Yeah
<0> duty? lol
<2> sure rob .. a person might feel pressure to stop being a burden on the family
<0> actually.. hospice is torture
<0> they deprive you of food and water
<2> or a family member may subtly suggest suicide
<7> I wrote a poem once at 3:00 am in the morning as I was the only one in the hospice room with my grandfather
<0> they "say" it is painless, but it isn't
<8> Hospices deprive patients of food and water?
<0> yes
<0> atleast water anyway
<8> I thought it was palliative care for people who are dying
<7> and he was struggling through his very last moments in a morphenic state
<8> why would they deprive people of food and water?
<2> Rob .. you are full of **** :)
<8> CometBaby, aye.
<0> CometBaby: no, I am not
<0> CometBaby: I know what I speak of
<7> Many times a dying person who is all morphined up does just starve at the last
<0> maybe it is water, but they don't feed you
<7> happend to my mother in law
<7> she did not have anything except ice
<7> for a month
<7> then she finally died
<7> home hospice
<9> was it flavored ice?
<7> we actually have some thoughts that my father in laws good friend a dr
<9> like italian shaved ice? that **** is delish!
<7> may have come in the last day and gave her something
<7> to finally put her under
<9> oops
<2> Rob thats just not true
<8> rond, well, yeah. My grandmother stopped eating in the end, and my mother made the decision not to supplement her with intravenous nutrition
<9> i thought we were talking some unrelated person
<7> but were too afraid to ask the question of the dad
<9> my apologies if i offended
<0> CometBaby: yea... my grandfather was in hospice
<0> CometBaby: but what I say just isn't true
<2> my MIL was in a hospice recently
<7> so hospice even at its best can be still pretty gruesome
<8> RobVanDam, and the hospice your grandfather was in refused to give him food and water?
<8> or did your grandfather refuse to accept it?
<0> CometBaby: I SAW WHAT THEY WERE DOING TO HIM
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