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<0> Three Pillars of Bush African Policy
<0> http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/africa/
<0> 2. Clear policy priorities <----a. combat HIV/AIDS pandemic b. Advance political and economic freedom c. Promote peace and regional stability
<1> unfortunately, India is the largest AIDS country now!
<0> 3. Principles of bilateral engagement <----the second bullet in this is "economic reform"
<0> fortunately, they are at least somewhat capable of governance
<1> i guess we need to send another $15 billion to india now, huh?
<0> and health care
<0> why? they are most certainly in better shape than africa when ti comes to healthcare
<0> and fighting back
<2> if we send money to other nations, it's always because we get some return for it, either quantitatively (as in a money investment with ROR) or qualitatively (increasing influence and leverage abroad).
<3> sintient: it is also unfair trade wise that americans cannot purchase drugs from canada or other countries
<1> Traficant was a democrat hero
<4> No he wasn't.
<4> He was a nut.
<3> well if that was the case with india, it would be outsourcing centers
<1> he was hilarious
<4> He was funny to watch sometimes but he was a nut.
<1> of course he was a nut, but demos loved him
<3> He wore a live animal on his head, but he was not nuts
<4> He was just fun to watch.
<1> yeah, that haircut lol
<2> he also turned into a Republican, didn't he/
<3> haircut?
<4> He was a pork barrerler.
<3> that was no haircut
<4> barreler
<3> I think he turned more into a Libertarian
<3> which would explain his nuttiness at times
<3> note I said Libertarian, not libertarian :)
<3> libertarians tend not to go over the deep end as much as Libertarians. Infact, going over the deep end is a requirement for the LP
<2> Rob: well, pro-mafia would understandably be libertarian.. :)
<4> I am watching The Great Raid about the American troops prisoners of war in the Philipines.
<3> Timur: As long as I am in charge, i'm pro mafia too :)
<5> Rob .. you're russian? :)
<3> if mine is the biggest most powerful mafia
<3> CometBaby: well yea
<1> jesus
<3> CometBaby: but I also had relatives who were in The Black Hand
<3> Jewish Mafia
<1> lol
<1> oh yeah, they must have been fearsome...
<3> panini: you don't know my family
<3> :)
<1> cross them, and you find a severed pastrami sandwich in your bed
<3> lol
<3> nah
<2> Rob: pro-mafia, really?
<2> lol
<3> Timur: if I ran the most powerful mafia, sure :)
<3> yea, and if you really pissed them off, you'd wind up in pickle vat lol
<0> mafias are basically terrorists with a western honor code
<3> nah, I wouldn't terrorize anybody
<0> you aint a mobster tho are you?
<1> not western
<1> Sicilian
<0> just yer family was?
<3> especially civilians
<0> lol
<3> mafias are like governments
<1> the Klingon race of Star Trek was modelled after Sicilians
<0> Hezbollah has like 20 parliament seats in lebanon?
<3> if i was a mobster you think I would be telling you? lol
<0> they are government
<0> part
<2> Pub: more, I think
<3> not my family, just one or two was
<0> Hamas is a government, same deal
<3> early part of the 20th century
<3> "government"
<4> Hamas is not recognized by the US is it?
<1> yes it is
<5> well, w/o a doubt, the most ruthless and corrupt mafia is the russian mafia
<4> It is recognized as a terrorist organization.
<0> I admit, I find it pretty cool...but that is only because I was born after they were crushed in the US
<3> sintient: it is, as a terrorist organization
<0> for the large part
<1> it is recognized as a terrorist organiztion
<4> 3rd times the charm
<2> it is in fact a terrorist organization
<2> sintient: no
<2> except as a terrorist org.
<3> Publius: I hate to tell you, but mafias wern't really crushed....
<4> I guess I meant to say it isn't a recognized "government."
<2> CB: let's not forget the Chinese mafia. :)
<2> sintient: not by the US
<0> Rob: Jersey doesn't count
<0> ;p
<2> but of course, by Arab states generally
<4> Timur what/
<3> Publius: they are alive and well in NY, NJ, Philadelphia, Miami I could go on if you wish
<1> and the Yakuza
<0> and controlling the governments?
<3> I meant that mafias are just like a government
<0> they are merely iritating thugs...doesn't look like they are acheiving much
<3> they tax you
<3> they beat you up
<3> detain you
<3> and sentence you to death
<0> well, we didn't vote for them
<0> they are like authoritarian governments
<0> which I personally don't care to recognize as legitimate
<3> I didn't vote for haliburton to recieve no bid contracts
<3> i didn't vote for supreme court justices, cabinet members
<0> but you voted for those with the authority to
<2> sintient: many Arab states (most) recognize the Hamas gov't
<3> I didn't vote for them
<4> Timue but the US?
<3> bush isn't my president
<3> :)
<6> hmm
<3> lol i sound like a democrat
<1> yes he is
<2> sintient: Again, no, the US doesn't recognize the Hamas gov't
<0> seriously
<3> yea I know panini
<0> lolol
<4> And the arabs?
<3> let me insult the nutty democrats who say he isn't
<2> Rob: mafias are neither at all transparent nor responsive to public need.
<3> Timur: Niether is the state of NY
<1> crap
<1> maybe it's better to keep +i for a while
<3> Timur: we have a lot of public corporations which basically private
<3> Timur: they do whatever they want
<2> Rob: no? no transparency or accountability at all?
<3> nope, none
<2> try suing the mafia in court.
<0> there are extensive documentaries, reports, tv programs, ect ect on the siciliam smackdown the feds laid in the 80s
<0> in ny
<3> yea, the sicilians....
<2> and in Philly
<1> there's one going on now
<3> anyway, they didn't get all of them
<4> The sicilian boss was just caught and charged again.
<0> and basically any powerful mafia
<4> Like 2 months ago.
<0> they didn't need to nail all of the goons
<1> they only way they could catch them was with a turncoat informant
<3> rats ****
<0> or wiretaps. ;)
<3> in any walk of life
<6> RobVanDam : why are you saying President Bush isnt your President ? Thats like saying A American made car isn't made in America!!!!
<3> yea, it is amazing how dumb the sicilian mafia is....
<0> besides
<1> the godfather movie was great
<0> you have to convince a civilian jury who is not an expert on criminal justice
<3> ThomasWT: I was making fun of liberals... and american cars arn't really made in america... usually in Canada or Mexico :(
<5> pani, I think it is my favorite movie of all time
<3> some are still made in america, but more and more, they are not
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