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<0> *of
<1> lol, the coward speaks
<2> http://www.mca.gov/about_us/overview/index.shtml
<2> Reduce Poverty through Economic Growth: The MCC will focus specifically on promoting sustainable economic growth that reduces poverty through investments in areas such as agriculture, education, private sector development, and capacity building.
<1> the prescription drug plan was NOT good for this country
<2> this type of **** goes on whilst money is given for AIDs
<1> farm subsides are NOT good for this country
<1> etc
<1> so by your own standards, Bush has not done a good job
<2> investments are different than starting a business right?
<0> investments increase the GDP and allow for the greater possibility of business creation
<2> You are spewing rhetoric and making snappy ***umptions regarding my standards
<2> get a grip brosef
<2> heh
<0> Pub: exactly, that's what he does
<0> so why bother, really?
<1> giving billions in free money to africa is NOT good for this nation
<0> I mean, an angry miserable person who's determined to remain so..
<1> no, I am using your standards directly as you stated them
<2> Money is not the only form of currency in this world
<1> and showed that by your own standards your argument fails
<0> (and is willfully and deliberately ignorant and will not and cannot seem to budge from a preestablished position, all evidence to the contrary..etc)
<2> No it doesn't, you have no ****ing idea what my standards are
<1> of course i do
<1> you just stated them
<1> perhaps you forgot
<1> here, i'll repost it for you
<1> <+Publius> It is not the president's job to be liberal or conservative
<1> <+Publius> it is to do what is best for this naton
<2> besides, sometimes it doesn't ****ing matter if the US pocket grows from giving aide to another nation
<1> well, I just gave you 3 examples of things he did which are decidely NOT good for this nation
<0> this recalls the Herzen-Libertine exchange re: wars
<0> sometimes you have to pay for things that are qualitatively important, like national defense, in that case; and not having people starve to death on the other.
<2> America doesn't really go to war, a costly venture, to earn money
<0> well, influence and security aren't easily measurable by purely quantitative standards
<1> lol
<2> true friendship is much more stable than hundrenths of a percentage of the GDP
<2> true friendship with nations, leaders, ect
<1> well Timur the coward has often argued AGAINST national security
<1> ah, another mistake
<1> you believe that welfare buys friendship
<1> history has shown that not to be true
<1> just as pandering to liberals didn't work
<0> and actual cooperation that produces valuable results
<2> besides, we are America...we tend to just do what we feel is right and by some miracle we end up having the largest, most efficient, and stable economy in the world
<1> pandering to 3rd world dictors doesn't work either
<2> ;)
<2> well
<2> maybe not efficient
<2> hahaha
<0> but a socially isolated misanthrope wouldn't understand or appreciate that. which, of course, is why they'll never exert any meaningful policy influence for any time.
<2> depends on the time frame
<1> a true coward insults behind the shield of /ignore :)
<2> I guess, some peopel have never sacrificed
<1> which ppl?
<1> everyone has sacrificed
<2> makes you feel good inside anyway...the guilt thing is worse than losing a dollar
<2> comparitively
<1> ah, now finally you made a true statement
<0> Pub: if one has a conscience.. but it's more about positive impact than just guilt or the lack thereof.:)
<1> welfare is primarily to make you *feel* good inside... not because it does any good
<1> in other words, welfare is only about *feelings* and emotions
<0> Pub: what if I wanna feel miserable and hate everyone!
<0> it's my right to not pay to help ppl
<0> dammit!
<1> which is why the only pro-welfare argument are *emotional* appeals
<1> you're mainly worried about feeling bad if you don't have welfare
<1> you worried about the guilt
<2> well
<2> I'll have more friends then
<2> !!!
<0> hehe
<1> you believe that?
<1> that's pretty cr*** to think that you have to BUY friendship
<1> but anyway, I've made my point. There are no valid *rational* or economic arguments in favor of welfare.
<0> so what's up for the weekend
<1> only emotional ones, and those are mainly based on false beliefs
<1> I think I'll call him Timur the Coward from now on
<1> oh ****
<1> wtf?
<1> any ops here?
<0> panini: except true cowardice is running away from one's connection to one's fellow man.
<1> no, true cowardice is running away from an honest debate when you're losing
<0> Katey, morning :)
<3> Ok panini
<1> and then continuing to insult the person after placing them on ignore
<0> no, there was no debate, and it's you who'd lost even before you began; any debate with you lacks merit, since I don't accept your premises.
<2> it isn't like economic benefit is the reason anyone supports welfare
<0> it's not cowardice when the basics aren't agreed upon.
<0> but it is sensible to ignore you again. :)
<4> good morning :)
<5> hey Timur
<2> besides, the whole issue about "welfare" in Africa is part of a multi-faceted policy towards economic growth and reduction of pverty in Africa
<1> you don't accept reality, you mean
<1> fair enough, I already knew that
<0> Pub: yeah, what an insane idea.
<0> ;)
<1> why does the bot keep resetting the ban?
<4> pani you got me
<4> I think it may be lagged
<0> and gallops away!
<0> yarr.
<1> ohhh moderatum is fighting with coppertop
<1> the bots are feuding!
<1> coppertop sets the ban, and moderatum resets it
<4> lets try again :)
<4> there we go :)
<4> I think I got it fixed
<1> nope
<1> not yet
<4> dumping devoiced for lameness
<2> bwahahaha
<1> ah, so now you're *agreeing* it was a political pandering move
<4> Kerry came out with a firm stand on Iraq .. he said he would pull us out by the end of the year. Now, lets see what he says tomorrow :)
<2> panini" oh no
<1> because that's exactly what Bush did
<2> I am saying that even if I felt it wasn't a profitable venture, I woulda conned the libs
<1> oh really
<1> and how is it "conning" them when you give them exactly what they wanted?
<2> because the refored AGOA and newly formed Milenium Challenge Corporation are appearing to be wonderful sucesses
<2> liberal, progressive ideas for a better future are best achieved by conservative methods
<2> somethin like cat
<0> Pub: my god, investments sometimes work?
<1> first, you're confusing AGOA with the AIDS welfare programs...
<2> http://www.ustr.gov/***ets/Document_Library/Reports_Publications/2006/***et_upload_file236_9455.pdf <----2006 african growth and opportunity act report
<0> he is?
<2> panini: how many times must I ****ing say they are both part of a multi-faceted policy in africa
<6> The General Accounting Office has reviewed over 100 studies on welfare and concluded that welfare does not significantly diminish the incentive to work.
<6> Why is it fine then something goes nuts?
<1> AGOA was signed in 2000
<2> yes, and it has been reformed and or restructed
<6> The General Accounting Office has reviewed over 100 studies on welfare and concluded that welfare does not significantly diminish the incentive to work.
<7> sintient: you already said that, thanks for repeating
<7> morning
<6> There was alot of crap in between I though you lost it.
<7> publius, panini
<7> sintient too :)
<6> Thanks.
<6> Hey.
<6> THe prescription drug plan was crippled by not allowing bulk purchases.
<7> nah man it's cool
<1> the HIV/AIDS Act was 2003
<6> isn't it tarriffs that make us pay more for food?
<6> Subsidies make us pay for food that we might pay more for later to actually get.
<2> panini: yes, all falling under the adminsitrations policy on Africa
<6> Traficant.
<6> lol
<2> Three Pillars of Bush African Policy
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