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<0> ok name your exeptions
<0> and why and how they differ
<1> heroin, cocaine, extacy
<1> etc
<0> ok lets disect this
<1> drugs that can cause death and or addiction
<1> there's no need to dissect it
<2> plain and simple, do not allow illegals that are given amnesty to recieve anytype of welfare/wic/etc
<0> ok, so you should prohibit something on the basis that i may cause death
<0> i must highlight the word may there, theres no certainty in medicine
<3> well ****, there goes my can of RAID
<0> so then should be ban.. sucide?
<1> thefranzk, you can and probably should restrict the use of substances that cause signifcant social problems
<0> or prehaps eating lots of food and becoming obese
<0> both stem on the same ground
<1> heh
<1> ok
<1> nevermind
<1> this is silly
<0> socail problems are one of the trickest things to quantify
<3> thefran: I agree, one should have the right and nothing should be banned. If a diner wishes to put arsenic in their potatoes, it should be legal.
<3> power to the people man!
<0> simply becuase society is measurable in labratory condictions, thus basing legisiation on possible socitial effects, its on shakey ground from the start
<0> its a matter of personal liberty yes
<4> Lupine| there need to be some disclaimers... for instance, if idiots think cigarettes don't cause cancer despite all evidence to the contrary, i think they should be able to smoke them, but i do not think that society owes them free medical care when they get lung cancer and expect medicaid to pay for it
<5> dang. and here I am out of patchouli oil....
<6> ok, food
<0> exaclty null, just what i was getting onto
<0> actions have consaquenes
<5> I demand they close all sky hills
<5> ski hills
<0> smoking has the possible consequence of cancer, thus that individual must be reponsible for that outcome
<7> AS IF medicaid is free.
<5> skis cause broken bones
<4> Glock21 it is an income transfer from those who have income to those who do not
<4> Glock21 thus, it is free to the recipient
<5> I demand joggers stop running as it increase the chance of crushed vertebrae pads when they are older
<7> Null_Ptr... you don't pay taxes?
<4> Glock21 this isn't about me, i do not receive medicaid benefits
<0> i see a few of us are in agreement
<5> eating meat results in nasty XYZ bu then eating veggies results in abc
<7> Null_Ptr... so you're talking about people who've never paid taxes that went to medicaid and receive benefits from them.
<7> ?
<5> drinking bottled water is bad becasue the bottle is made of oil but everyone KNOWS municipal supplies kilsls snail darttters
<0> i think we get the point pilgrim
<5> so its bogus.
<4> no, it is a matter of degree
<8> String too short Null_Ptr!
<4> some things are obviously harmful
<4> such as say heroine
<5> a to cigs. and btw..I don't smoke. I find the arguments as bogus
<0> go on null
<4> i think people should have a right to shoot heroine if they want to
<4> but i don't think i should have to pay for their hospitalization, rehab or crime
<5> only if her name is "Nell"
<4> i think they should be wholely responsible for their own destruction
<4> if they do something idiotic
<0> the main problems causes by herion (out side of its personal health effects) are due to its criminsilation
<0> exaclty null
<1> cigarettes are addictive and deadly, but they don't cause significan social problems
<1> their use is restricted
<1> which it should be
<5> Null I don't think I need you are others butting in to my business and I should nto butt into yours
<4> Katey that is why we are talking about health care costs, not something else
<9> big surprise, Peru is going to elect another leftist
<4> pilgrim` as long as i am not paying for your healthcare, fine, do what you want
<5> panini is the Inca dry on that? :)
<10> im gonna try
<10> to nullify my life
<11> chinese food, or cheesesteak. .hm
<7> You're not the only one who pays for the healthcare.
<1> Null_Ptr, sorry, I ducked out 5 min. ago and at that time everyone was talking about recreational drugs
<1> :)
<0> thats one of the biggest debates against it here in the u.k based on its healthcare costs
<7> People who are using it also paid for it.
<4> Katey ah :)
<0> becuase eveyone adores the welfare state
<5> Null doesn't bother me what you do; it has no effect on my insurance
<10> cause when the blood begins to flow when it shoots up the droppers neck when im closing in on death you cant help me not you guys or all you sweet girls with all your sweet talk you can all go take a walk and i guess i just dont know and i guess i just dont know
<0> i think if tabbaco was illegalised you would see the emerged of tabbacoo related crime katey
<0> just look what happened when alcohol was made illegal
<10> LEGALIZE TOBACCO
<10> NOW
<10> legalize
<10> it
<10> dont criticize it
<10> legalize it and we will advertise it
<5> my insurance company would charge the same even if everyone lived of wheat germ rice and macrobiotic water and got their colonic every day
<10> true
<10> cause its all about the dead presidents
<1> thefranzk, of course. prohibition does encourage crime if there's a significant demand for the prohibited product
<0> and for most mind altering substances theres plenty of demand
<1> Frankly, the street crime ***ociated with illegal drugs is the most convincing argument against complete prohibition
<0> hell, you name a luxary item illegalise it and you'll see a criminal element arise around it
<0> like prono in iran
<0> its a simple fact of economics, put a restriction on the freemarket, and depending on the size of the restriction a black market will emerge
<0> you can win a war on drugs anymore than you can win a war of supply and demand economics
<0> cant*
<5> yep
<1> alcohol is restricted. there's not a significant black market ***ociated with it
<1> same with tobacco
<0> how is it restricted in the u.s?
<0> im british you see, well versed in the consitutiuon but not day to day state legislation
<5> I think I will start a new export offer: an underage girl holding a AK47 sitting on kilos of cocaine. a package deal for 1000 easy payments of 19.95
<0> hah make that a regular aged girl and you've got a deal
<5> 10000 payments
<10> how underage
<5> I donno, whatever fits between the shieks ;)
<10> who is Theodore Roethke
<1> thefranzk, alcohol can't be purchased or possessed by people under 21
<1> of course, kids get around it in various ways.
<0> aha, you see there we go.
<10> unless youre in wisconsin
<10> or canada
<10> or europe
<10> or mexico
<1> but there's no black market
<0> the blackmarket katey is thouse kids getting around it
<10> theres a blackmarket
<1> thefranzk, er..no
<10> for booze
<10> for sure
<10> counterfeit
<1> thefranzk, those kids just get a fake ID
<12> are they ever gonna legalize LSD?
<0> by defintion, a black market is economic interaction against lesilation
<12> there is no bad in LSD
<5> it makes a good sho polich
<0> we have the same thing in the u.k only younger
<10> there is bad
<1> thefranzk, or they fool their way past an inattentive bartender
<12> nope
<1> but generally, it functions pretty well
<12> no bad in LSD
<12> there's bad in other drugs
<10> they try to card me
<12> but not LSD and mushrooms and pot
<0> a black market isunt literally a scary back ally dealship
<10> but i dont have an id
<10> of any kind
<12> and other psychedelics
<1> bars and stores can lose their liquor lisence if they don't check ID
<5> there is stupidity in drugs
<10> so they just take the money
<12> well psychedelics aren't drugs
<12> idiots.
<0> same her katey, but some pubs and bars will knowinly serve underage kids to make money
<12> they're tools
<0> thats the black market
<12> for learning
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