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<0> deaddog what county(s) is atlanta metro in anyways? when ever we visit we always stay in duluth and drive in.
<1> Good, Go for it.
<2> Free````` yes, they do. my state even hauled a few back from mexico last year after a little extradition spat
<3> DiscoTaco: Master in PolySci
<3> we should get a topic and have it out sometime :)
<1> Bud,m yest they haul a few back but its a lot easier to hide in mexico than it is the USA>
<4> LOL
<4> Duluth...thats where the politicians fortify
<2> Free````` southern Cali has a problem.........
<4> in Gwinnett
<5> Free: unfortunately, the law school I really wanted to go to is on the verge of self-destructing. That really ****s, I was looking forward to taking cl***es from Robert Bork.
<1> When a gand war was going on in front of my house and the soreno gang mexican murdered the Norteno gang American Mexican, he ran straight for the border but they were lucky and caught him at the border.
<6> and the pirate bay is back
<1> Disco, Oh yeah ? Why is it self destructing ? Funding ?
<6> i wish their political party was in our country
<1> Or other reasons.
<3> Next Topic!
<5> Free: I placed a seat deposit there and everything, and by the time I got done researching the situation, I called my bank and had them put a stop-payment on the check, and redirected the seat deposit to the Chicago law school.
<1> Disco, wow.
<0> What is the premise of their party? Everyone pirate everything?
<1> That was close.. Anyway I hope you enjoy the chicago law school.
<3> DiscoTaco: propose a topic for debate!
<4> Free: how much illegal drug smuggling from Mexico is going on?
<1> Im going to bed in a minute.. Damn the wife of a federal prosecutor was murdered..
<5> Free: funding is part of the issue; namely, the school's primary benefactor (Tom Monaghan, founder of Domino's Pizza) is using his financial clout to try to force the school to move from Michigan to Florida. The problem is, if the school does move, it loses full ABA accreditation status and reverts to provisional status.
<5> Obviously, alumni and current students are not interested in watching their degrees become worthless.
<5> The faculty is not interested in relocating either.
<1> Disco, ahh...
<1> That ****s.
<3> yep
<3> DiscoTaco: sounds like the alumni and faculty are holding to principles, kudos to them
<5> Free: that said, even if they stay put, the damage is deep and long-lasting. The faculty and Board of Governors basically hate each other now, the BoG is threatening to revoke tenure of those faculty who were particularly outpsoken about not wanting to relocate, et cetera.
<1> Oreilly quote "most sane people would understand that" Problem is Oreilly is insane.
<5> Free: furthermore, the ABA severely frowns on situations where one entity has de facto control over the school's financial resources, for exactly this reason -- the potential to create instability. Even if they don't relocate, if the ABA is paying any kind of attention, they could lose their full accreditation status anyway.
<1> And he doesnt understand anything about Arnolds motivation. Arnold didnt want the state to pay for it, now that the feds will pay for it, he doesnt care.. But Oreilly is clueless.
<3> SO they should remove the problem, which seems to be Monaghan
<3> kill the virus, the bdy heals
<1> IN fact he was very early on Oreillys side of the issue, Oreilly is such an idiot at times.
<3> are we agreed?
<6> at times?
<5> well that's exactly the problem. They can't just remove Monaghan because he is too much a part of their funding source. That's like saying "remove the lung cancer by removing the lungs."
<3> Replace the lungs?
<7> O'Reilly isn't stupid. Like William Randolph Hearst, he knows exactly what he's doing.
<1> Disco, It seems absurd that one wealthy billionaire or multi millionaire would have primary control over a law school or any school other than a private religious school.
<3> I think a large movement of the alumni, if they care enough, would compensate the school
<5> How does a 5-year-old school with less than a thousand alumni and virtually no corporate connections replace that much money?
<4> deaddog: wow...chambliss and isakson have been trying to secure the border and solve this immigration issue since 04
<5> Free: it *is* a private religious school.
<3> Pub: of course they have
<5> It's not called "Ave Maria" for nothing.
<6> o'reilly is paid lots of money to be an ***hole on television
<1> Pickle, if the argument is Oreilly is out for money then yes he is doing everything right.
<6> so i guess he's intelligent in that respect
<1> Disco, no **** ?
<1> Wow
<1> Well if its private what can they do ? If he buys it its screwed.
<3> I think alumni contributions as well as some tuition hikes would compestae
<1> Unless the financier agrees to let a board control it.
<4> deaddog: ****...there needs to be much better communication between congress and the media
<4> good lord
<1> Well you were lucky to get out before they cashed your check.
<3> if the school is serious about it's principle and have instilled that on its student body, past and present, that would win over the billionare infuence
<5> Free: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ave_Maria_School_of_Law
<4> I suppose us souther gents are just too shy
<3> Congress communicating with the media? watch cspan
<5> Free: here's a WSJ piece on the current relocation controversy: http://www.opinionjournal.com/taste/?id=110007536
<4> c-span very rareful focuses well enough to give a compelte picture
<4> rarely
<4> It needs explanations of the crap that goes on 24/7
<5> Free: a more in-depth timeline of the current situation is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Controversy_at_Ave_Maria_School_of_Law
<4> rarely*
<1> Hmm they say the wont move before 2009 at the earliest maybe they will talk him out of it by then.
<1> But I dont know the inside scoop..
<5> Free: not likely. He's a stubborn SOB and the only thing stopping a move before 2009 is the construction schedule in Florida.
<1> if they loose accredition it seems incredibly stupid.. Unless they get it in Florida...
<4> You know the press ****s when the government press secretary is more open, honest, and willing to educate the american people
<5> Monaghan will have a law school in Florida come hell or high water, and the only way the Michigan law school is going to come out alive is if he agrees to fund two law schools and let the "original" law school in MI build up an independent funding base to wean itself of his money.
<4> more willing than the press is
<5> Free: they'll get it in Florida, eventually. The problem is, will the ABA recognize it as the same institution, or a new one? If it's recognized as a new one, then all the current alumni's degrees become worthless.
<1> Damn one ****ing long history of controversy after contoversy... Yeah I wouldnt go there.
<4> I wonder what Franklin and Jefferson would think of today's 4th branch
<4> heh
<1> How can they take a formerly acrredited degree and take it away ?
<1> What if an accredited college went bankrupt after 10 years ?
<1> or 20 ?
<5> Free: Mognahan's Ave Maria Unviversity is already open in Florida. He wants the law school down there on the same campus to help build its prestige. All in all, I don't blame him. But he jumped the gun in opening the law school in Michigan before he got permission to expand to a full-sized university. (The city of Ann Arbor turned down his permit applications to expand the law school campus to a full university campus, which is why
<5> ...he built the university in Florida)
<1> ahh
<1> Well its unsettled and if you want to know what the next 4 years are going to be like you would be up in the air every year.
<5> Free: it's not that the ABA says "your degree is no longer recognized as from an accredited school." If the school had provisional or full accreditation when you were awarded your degree, you are still permitted to sit for the bar in any state.
<5> Free: the problem is finding employment. Institutional reputation matters, even long after you've had actual work experience. And employers aren't impressed when you say "I got my degree from a school that was really really good when I went there but they closed down less than a decade after it opened."
<8> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5040372.stm
<8> What ever happend to that web surveilance stuff from like 5 years ago.
<8> Where they were going to pay 10 dollars an hour to watch security cameras on the web?
<5> Free: yeh, it was a hard decision. I would have received a much better education there. I mean, ****, I would have had Robert Bork as an instructor FFS. They also offered me a $30,000 scholarship. But the tension and controversy would have been way too much of a distraction.
<5> That and being uncertain of the future worth of the degree was disconcerting enough that I walked away from 30 grand.
<8> 30k is sometimes not even a year at private school.
<5> It would have been a full year of tuition.
<5> Fees and living expenses, on the other hand...
<5> Still, having 1/3rd of your law degree paid for is very very attractive.
<8> Or for the cost of the next semester go to state school.
<8> Oh law school nevermind.
<8> I don't know about law school pricing.
<5> many state law schools have in-state tuition for state residents
<4> Do we do any drug lord busting in Mexico naer the border?
<5> problem is, there are basically two types of public law schools: a) those that **** so bad that you almost wouldn't want to go even if they were free, and b) those that are so hard to get into that they would have laughed at my application to mop their floors, much less attend their school.
<9> If anyone other than the server is taking off my ban exemption from the list please dont.
<4> so is this fence modelled after the Israeli Security Fence something that will work and that we want?
<5> who knows.
<9> this damn computer and Ghost dont get along, some program and ghost at the same time crash it, because ghost automatically turns on.
<9> hmm
<5> All I know is that we're building a 350 mile fence along a 1,800 mile border.
<5> So, I guess what we're trying to say is, "go around."
<4> thats because congress has not agreed upon an immigration bill yet...for the most part
<4> that it is only on private land
<8> THere will be cameras at the edges?
<4> the first step...really is to secure the border
<4> I wish some of the harsher conservatives would relax a bit
<8> Right 3rd step profit
<9> No they are putting the fences where they will do the most good, in the middle of the desert is not a concern they can fly over at nigth with infrared censors and mark them all for pickup.. They want them out of peoples back yards and border cities is what it is.
<8> Hey pub what was the second step again?
<4> ?
<9> They have no intention of building a fence the entire way
<8> A freedom fence what is incomplete?
<4> FreeMrkt: is this how it is outlined in the House bill?
<8> How is that fencing in the freedom when it can seap around the edges?
<9> People in government and Americans in general are very sensitive about a berlin wall or a Great wall of china. some areas need control some areas are not as risky, Its easy to cross in some places its VERY DIFFICULT to cross in other areas.
<4> FreeMrkt: I agree with that logic. Will this significantly decrease illegal drug trade?
<4> well
<8> How much drugs do you think gets walked over?
<9> Yep Norton ghost turned on just before I crashed.
<8> As opposed to shipping crates and trucks that already go through customs?
<4> I don't know
<8> Just think of the capacity.
<9> Sintient, most of it is walked or tunneled into a building on the other side In the bigger cities.
<4> FreeMrkt: so this fence would put a heavy deterrent on that method
<9> My aunt in law used to do it by tunnel..
<4> probably instantly
<4> immediately
<4> rather
<4> lol
<4> ?
<9> Publius, it will make a lot of Americans Happy...
<9> Thats what it will do.
<4> Well, imo, it is just the first step
<8> Drug dealers I saw with south american connections had blocks of coke like the size of 19 inch televisions and garbage bags full of weed.
<8> And then the busts you see on tv are pounds and pounds in car tires or in the dash board.
<8> I don't know when alot of money is at stake, it finds a way.
<9> aha. Internet explorer is buggy too but its cool :)
<4> and I suppose this includes a more efficient and equiped border control force
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