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<0> htpp://gopmix.dyndns.info:8000
<0> try that
<1> who are the peopel that hit baby seals with clubs?
<2> baby seals haters?
<3> http://gopmix.dyndns.info:8000
<4> and old growth redwood forests don't cause tannin poison of streams
<5> Linus: someone was whining about how government environmental scientists were being prevented from studying global warming
<4> it's fallen timbers that cause that
<4> branches and brush left behind
<5> Linus: do you know how much fallen branches from a redwood tree each year?
<0> does it work
<4> have you ever been in a virgin redwood forest?
<4> there very little debris other than needles
<0> `nicos yes tell if it works
<5> LInus: anyway, the Democrats hired a famous environmental scientist to study acid lakes and streams
<5> Linus: yes I have
<3> doesn't work
<4> ive heard/seen/read nothing abut tannin affecting salmon runs
<4> its preposterous, since the runs were healthy before logging
<5> LInus: and you won't ... he did the research expecting to find that industrial pollution was causing acidification
<5> that was what the Democrats hired him to find out
<4> so, in 2000 years of redwood growth, you're trying to convinve me that the salmoin runs have been slowly dying due to the trees?
<5> Linus: I think this was primarily in the northeast US ... the west doesn't have a problem with acidification
<4> redwood is highest in tannin if i recall correctly
<5> dunno ... I was talking about steering and suppressing scientific research on the environment
<4> now some oak branches i could see leeching tannin in to water
<4> but that's nature's influence
<4> and it worked for millenium before we influenced it
<5> anyway, try as he might, he couldn't make a connection between acid rain and acidification of lakes and streams
<4> well, coal plants usually impact lakes far downwind
<4> like in canada
<5> all of his research pointed to one inescapable conclusion ... almost all of the acidification of northeast lakes and streams was due to reforestation and tannin
<4> well, yeah reforestation
<4> timber harvest cause unusual amounts of forest floor debris
<4> and decay
<4> causes
<6> since global warming cant be proven, burn as much fossil fuel as possible thx
<5> Linus: yup ... so they suppressed the study reports ... fired him from the project and blacklisted him so he lost his tenured professorship
<4> OcDoc, but it still points to timber cutting as a primary factor
<1> just spend all the money spent on "global warming" bull**** and give it to nasa
<5> td: that's silly ... burn as much as you need to do what you need to do and not a bit more
<0> `nicos did it work
<7> td-, who suggests that? Other than your dumb ***...
<4> one would think theyd have run with that!
<0> damn
<3> no still down
<1> the poeple at nasa will put that money on making mars a place to live
<4> bah
<4> good lord, the prospect of mars habtation is remote
<4> and way cosly
<6> I suggest it, you could be hindering yourself economically if you dont burn as much fuel as possible
<4> unless we find vast water in ice caps
<8> it's a fascinating prospect though
<4> the amount of energy needed to create atmosphere, humidity, flora and fauna, not to mention the dome itself
<4> would be prohibitive
<9> td, in the sixties, the local electric companies had a step-system of using electricity. The more you used, the less you paid. They encouraged you to use as much as you could.
<8> dude! didn't you see 'Total Recall'?
<1> good movie
<4> they couldnt even make biosphere work as a closed system
<9> Kilowatts were less, after a certain point of useage
<6> Thats incredible
<5> LInus: great scandal tho
<1> is it as remots as the earths climate being destroyed by cars?
<9> Whats' mind boggling, is that things have changed so much, in such a relatively short time
<1> remote
<4> you know how many space flights it would take just to get the necessary hardware to mars???
<0> `426-Hemi k should work know
<10> most things are sold at a volume discount
<0> `nicos should work know
<9> Can you imagine the differences in outlook of society, just from that one small factor, about energy useage ?
<4> its not like we have steel factories in place, or timber to use
<3> ok
<0> trying to get my mic to work
<5> maybe a fried egg sandwich for supper .... mmmmmmm
<3> now it did
<9> OcDoc, how about diet cottage cheese and a sprig of lettuce ?
<9> YOU FAT SWINE !
<5> Twobar: is that what you had for supper?
<4> Twobar, it is true that technology advances beyond our imagination could make it possible
<9> get down, give us 50 pushups !
<9> OcDoc, yes. I mean, hellno.
<5> heh
<9> Linus, definitely
<1> that topic is just as spacey as the world overheating its self cause of cars
<4> but currently it seems quite illogical, given the lack of resources on mars
<4> id hate to live on mars
<9> yes, true
<8> Biosphere was only one possible model
<8> Linus: you'll mine iron ore and LIKE IT
<5> there might be frozen water mines below the surface
<4> itd be like living in the great mall of america
<9> We are in a bad place right now. We need one good breakthrough into alternaative energies.
<4> we need to stop wasting resources on killing one another!
<5> Twobar: why do you say we're in a bad place right now?
<9> Linus, we are insane. we cant' stop killing each other.
<7> What's wrong with killing one another?
<4> good god, if just a few nations began to cooperate, the advancements would be lightning fast
<5> okay ... fried egg sammidges
<9> OcDoc, because politically or realisticallly, energy has becoome all about politics and therefore will get more and more tightly controlled
<7> Killing each other is a fine southern tradition!
<0> damn no mic
<4> heh
<5> Twobar: well, that's just stupid ...
<9> the history of mankind is killing eachother. We are insane as an organism and as a species
<11> mmm...sammidges
<9> OcDoc, yep it is
<4> the new wars will be economic, and over resources
<4> the race to control energy
<9> If we WERE sane, than, for example, any 'ism would work: communism, capitalism, socialism
<4> the United States was on easy street for so long
<1> all efforts should be directed towards space stuff man
<5> Tugbar: well, then ... if we ARE in a bad place people put themselves there on purpose
<9> OcDoc, an argument could be made for that case.
<4> OcDoc, or blissfl ignorance
<1> those arabs are thinking there all bad*** cause they can make a nuke in 4 years
<11> no. If we were sane we'd realize that pure isms rarely work
<1> try making a rocket that can delever it
<4> we're spoiled
<5> brb
<0> `
<9> Katey, communism, socialism, capitalism are not capable of being "pure". They are mere economic systems. Ergo my point.
<0> `nicos is the music good
<0> and is it playing
<0> sory NO mic
<1> who is this nicos
<9> Katey, these things are changed over time to "fit" society, for better or worse
<3> yup
<3> :>
<11> Twobar, but there are always nuts that want to see pure isms succeed
<4> btw, who failed to have the forethought to comprehend that by building up a global economy that it would mean more competition for scarce resources that america has enjoyed relatively unchecked for decades?
<9> Katey, yes, but I am merely hypothesizing if "humans were sane".
<4> global economists were really that short-sighted?
<8> Linus: that question seems to imply that someone would be ***umed to have forethought :)
<9> Katey, however, your point is true, no pure ism would work
<11> right. but if humans were sane they'd not persue such things.
<8> no? :)
<11> They'd persue pragmatic solutions
<12> Katey -- but humans aren't sane! :)
<8> those are pragmatic solutions in historic context..that's why they were developed
<9> Katey, I think there would have to be an economic system of one kind or another in place, even if we were incredibly sane and intelligent and benevolent. Too bad we ain't NONE o' dat .
<8> esp as alternatives to what came before
<11> Sure. There would be a system
<9> Sane, intelligent, benevolent, AND handsome
<3> drugrel8d, hi
<8> a global one?
<9> like me and Timur
<11> but it wouldn't be predicated on trying to adhere to a particular "ism"
<8> lol
<8> Katey: humanism?
<13> twobar, if you dont have any economic policy you have a free market
<4> Timur, oh
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