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<0> sintient, what big debate? And lost what?
<1> thats just one way
<2> So can you please say that man is "a" cause.
<3> sintient: we don't know that yet either
<4> the barometer was measured at the lowest level in history during a hurricane last season
<5> Nemes: so you are saying that tree rings are NOT an accurate method to measure the curren temperature?
<0> Nemes, those would be regional at best, not global.
<6> there is a marked increase in the proportion of cat 4/5 hurricanes in past 25 years
<6> not sheer numbers, ratios
<2> I am just messing with him because he didn't even ask for a claryfication before he started trying to shoot down a simple statement.
<7> TheTailor Humans contribute to ALL the problems of earth.... surely you agree with that?
<6> although in sheer numbers as well
<5> Seele: ah, but was it measured the same way for the last hundred years?
<3> Seele: what barometer did they have in cave man times?
<2> Do volcanoes release green house gases?
<4> Lupine - the barometer is a very old insturment
<0> htrent, to some extent we must, but the question is to what extent.
<8> Linus- so what happened before 25 years ago? we were all burning oil and driving suv's and bush was president?
<1> i dont pretend to be a scientists, not for a second, but what I have read is convincing and I have read both sides of the argument to the ebst of my ability or rather curiosity
<5> Today: we get modern readings in all locations in a hurricane every few hours.. we've only had that capability for a few decades.
<2> Do industrial fossil fuel burning plants release green house gases?
<3> htrent: well, I don't ... depends on what you think is a "problem"
<1> and its enough for me to make an informed opinion
<5> Seele: ah, but not the location of the measruements
<5> Seele: Camile was far far far stronger than Katrina or any other recent hurricane when it landed.
<6> bud`, all i know is what ive heard and read lately that theres a growing voice inside admin pointing to hurricane intesity and 1/2 degree rise in ocean surface temps
<5> who knows what its pressure was out over open water.. we dont know
<9> I'm curious what caused hurricanes before the Dodge Durango. Perhaps that's what is causing the purported changes in hurricanes, not the Durango.
<0> Nemes, well maybe you should look into scientific proof.
<10> lots of bad things happon on earth
<2> Are the releases of a volcano the result from combustion?
<6> as evidence that maybe they had better reconsider
<2> Are the release from cars the result of combustion?
<5> linus: 1/2 degree water rise? Um, they are blaming florida's drought on *cold water* in the pacific.
<10> president bush knew katriina was gona strike, and he let it happon ! ;)
<2> I noticec how you stopped answering my simple questions.
<0> Nemes, fact is, geologic time is what you are looking at...and 500 years isn't enven a bat of the eye.
<3> sintient: what difference does that make?
<11> Lupine...you low on rain there still??
<8> i'm for responsible and unfettered research into our contribution to global warming, and if action needs to be taken. Unfortunantly you don't get that job unless you have an agenda these days, mainly thanks to one particular way of political thought
<11> we got some yest....
<10> you know what it all is?
<4> welp, it's been fun, i am praying for the saftey for the gulf this hurricane season
<2> OcDoc do volvanos contribute to the green house gases in the atmosphere?
<10> ita random randomness
<6> I'm talking avg ocean surface temps
<3> bud: what do you mean by unfettered? who's trying to "fetter" research?
<1> for instance scientists have gotten whole regions of jurasic and triasic forest debrey from the ocean floor and stuff washed up on shores and done detailed analaiss on their rings and fossil indicators, put them to measures of trees on land and other such records and done their thing to come to conclusions that say its happening
<5> Cry: oh, a little, but still bone dry
<6> the temp at the surface affects hurricane intensity
<10> the earth will always be random randomness
<3> sintient: yes
<1> there is tonnes of science out there backing it
<2> Now do cars?
<8> OcDoc ask the profs at my Uni who all resigned
<0> Linus-, well there's no El Nino, so it's cooler in the Pacific.
<7> TheTailor As humans contribute to problems, they could, if they choose, be involved in solutions. I refer to population, consumption, resource use, preservation, war/peace. Humans could choose to make this a better planet -- II see those who hate this earth and believe there is a 'better place' -- and there are those who love earth and its life and wish to preserve it as much as possible. You agree of course?
<11> Lupine..the relative same here...dry for Florida anyways
<2> Do combustion engine cars contribute to green house gases in the environment OcDoc?
<5> Nemes: how do you know what time of the year that bone-fragment original being died?
<10> theres tons of people that say this will happon, then theres tons that say it wont
<3> bud: oh, because no one would give them money to do the research they wanted to do?
<0> htrent, they ARE involved in solutions.
<0> htrent, and change.
<2> Do combustion engine cars contribute to green house gases in the atmosphere OcDoc?
<3> sintient: yes
<6> deep water temps in pacific may or may not be cooler; i am only referring to the surface temps, which have greatly influenced fish populations on CA's pacific coast
<7> TheTailor Some ARE involved in the solutions - some ARE causing problems.
<10> any job, related to predicting the futire is meangless as far as i am concerned
<11> OcDoc...prob no one would give them the money to conduct a study into whether they should do the research
<10> future
<3> Cry: oh darn
<0> htrent, causing problems isn't profitable.
<5> linus: are you saying that surface temperature measurements can not account for deep water temps?
<0> htrent, solving them is.
<1> carbon dating, other spectral analasis and god knows what, im not no expert man heh.
<6> suface temps increase as snow and ice cap coverage decreases
<8> OcDoc you cannot come out with an opinion, or even an idea for how to conduct the research, without immediately being labeled and slandered, it's just not worth it. check out atmospheric sciences dept. at colostate.edu, some of the scientists started just blogging about their research and ideas because they can't do it in an official capacity with the politicians and media in their current mode
<3> I find this discussion very vague
<6> he less ice and snow, the less reflectivity
<0> Linus-, ice caps are gaining ice
<3> bud: oh, the poor babies
<6> um, ok
<2> So human made things and non man made things contribute to green house gases in the atmosphere;therefore, humans controled and things that humans can't control contribute to the global warming.
<10> let me repeat, _ANY_ job related to predicting the future is meanless
<3> bud: maybe you should rethink the idea that research money should come from the government if you want it to be "unfettered"
<2> So now we agree that humans are a cause, in such that, humans contribute to the green houses gases in the atmohsphere.
<10> that goes from sports to politics
<3> Sintient: no, we don't agree yet
<6> drugrel8d, so just sit back and allow it to occur?
<0> sintient, if you fart you are contributing to global warming! Damn methane!
<8> OcDoc well im sure if your line of work was as politically charged and full of people wanting to slander you before ever presenting any findings that you may cxonsider you and your family to be more important than those ***holes
<5> sintient "a" cause.. so are butterflies
<2> You said they both added to the green house gases.
<7> TheTailor NOT always true. Look how the tobacco companies profited -- how the oil companies profit - how drug companies profit -- The Solutions to problems COULD be profitable - give me some examples.
<10> i dunno what to do
<2> There you go TheTailor you admit it humans contribute.
<6> or work to fend it off if in fact we can?
<3> sintient: we don't agree that greenhouse gases are "causing" global warming
<0> sintient, I never seaid otherwise.
<10> but i do know its of a randomness that you or any of those "experts" can predict
<2> You were using semantics.
<9> Interestingly, the places you find clean water and air are in industrial nations. Go drink the water in the Congo, and then when you get off the toilet, we can talk about pollution.
<2> Saying humans contribute but aren't the cause.
<0> NO, I wasn't.
<2> Everyone knows that humans are part of the cause.
<0> sintient, we aren't the cause
<6> drugrel8d, sure there's climate change that occurs in natural cycles
<3> I have to go contribute my share to cutting down some forests in a few minutes
<6> not much we can do about that
<2> See semantics.
<5> sin: "are part".. but how much? .1%? 1%?
<7> thanks
<0> It's not semantics
<6> but are we greatly accelrating it?
<8> OcDoc they *had* all the research money they needed, could ever want, the president hand picked them to find out the facts and present findings, they were immediately targetted by the NYT and others, before they ever spoke about anything.
<2> You just say "the" cause so you don't have to say that yes humans are "part" of the cause.
<3> sintient: I don't know that and neither do you
<10> we are talking about randomness in BILLIONS of years
<10> lots of varibles
<2> Of course I do.
<5> Sintient: according to chaos theory, a lone butterfly in southeast asia is a cause.
<3> sintient: just because you say it's true doesn't make it TRUE
<2> You burn fuel to use your computer.
<6> drug, man won't be on planet for billions of years
<2> Burnign fuel creates heat.
<2> It is a byproduct of combustion.
<6> we are a mere speck in the history of earth
<10> me and my wrx will be here ina billion
<6> ha
<8> when the smartest minds in the country resign, it's usually for a pretty good reason
<6> we are nothing but paramecium
<2> Part of the chaos!
<3> sintient: as far as I know, greenhouse gases are not causing any change in average global temperatures at all
<0> sintient, guess what heats the Earth more than anything else, and more than everything else combined...
<9> There's no doubting humans have an effect on the environment. Otherwise 99% of us would be dead or never have been born. 1 in 3 would still die before puberty.
<10> the smartest go to nase, not some pinko liberal greeny weenie global warming group
<6> the rights hot air?
<0> Sunlight! Yes! Solar radiation causes global warming!!!
<1> i agree that their are natural climate cycles of which some can be real drastic for life as well as the planet, thats not desputed at all imo, its just tht for me this isnt a natural thing thats happenign now, its excellerated unnaturaly imo.
<3> as far as you or I know for sure, the changes we measure are due to solar changes
<3> and random variation
<10> thats spacy
<0> Nemes, no showing of that, no accurate worldwide data at all.
<6> thet, and so the question becomes, is the increase in co casuing additional retention of the suns heat?
<2> http://www.answers.com/greenhouse%20effect
<10> answers.com huh
<2> http://www.answers.com/topic/greenhouse-gas
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