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<0> as do cigarettes
<1> It doesnt affevt consciousness anymore than a 1/4 of a gl*** of wine and sometimes not even that.
<2> FT: it's popular because of the inherent selectivity of irc, but it's also really depressing
<3> we all know what kind of drugs are the ones we're talking about
<0> so canary yer a druggie then?
<1> Timur Drug talk ?
<3> don't ever say coffee is the same as a narcotic agin kid
<4> freetrade makes his kids smoke pot
<5> o_O
<1> Its a good debate thing, because I know a lot about it and I can educate, I can get pissed off, but sometimes I get tired of discussing it.
<1> I am so anti recreational drug, but not for others.
<5> why is this fake RustyFord messaging me?
<0> because he LOOOOVES you
<0> heheheh
<1> For 10 years before I almost broke my back I never took any drugs for anything, Doctors offered me drugs and i said no thanks.
<5> man, that guy should get a life
<0> i call him "RustyFraud"
<0> hehehhe
<2> FT: yeah
<1> Well Irc has a lot of people with health problems, it has a lot of people who get high too.
<2> I mean, it's one thing if it's medically necessary i.e. for pain, as in your case
<2> but look how quickly we see people joining in who just do it because.. they're just addicted.
<1> 5% of our channel has chronic health problems.
<3> i like debating on wether or not drug use makes music sound differant, and more imporantly if the makers of music used drugs on purpose
<1> And thats what I know of.
<3> debussy was a confirmed drug bucket
<1> I know people who used to come here fighting for their lives right now sadly.
<3> so was revel
<6> drugrel8d, heh, Pink Floyd anyone?
<1> right this minute
<3> that to man
<2> FT: but like 80% are on the drug bandwagon, go figure
<1> fighting for their lives.
<1> Timur because you have 3 types of people..
<1> People who like recreational drugs, People who have a medical interest or knowlege of drugs and people who think all drugs are evil medical or not.
<1> I dont judge anyone other than the one who says all drugs are evil.
<1> I judge him because I know people who believe his attitude unneccerily suffer or go into dementia when they dont have to.
<2> what about people who think all drugs all the time are great
<3> hahah
<1> Timur, Thats up to them.
<1> I dont believe that
<1> But its their life.
<1> So why should I care ?
<2> it's also up to them if they think they're all evil
<1> As long as they dont harm anyone in the process.
<2> well, there's a thing called 1. empathy and 2. understanding negative impact
<1> No thinking they are all evil harms other people.
<2> as long as, a big if
<1> I was taught that words can heal or kill people..
<2> so does thinking that all drugs are ok harm people
<7> true - but inaction can also kill..
<2> seems inconsistent to me, logically
<1> So someone told me not to give out so much advice, they said to me if you want to responsible for their healing you must also be responsible for their death and failure.
<1> Which is why I always say you decide with the advice of your doctor.
<1> I dont give advice to people whether or not to use drugs
<2> are you really responsible, or are they for taking or rejecting advice and then acting or not acting upon
<2> it
<1> people who give advice not to use drugs if people believe them they injure people.
<2> I do. "Don't" unless medically necessary.
<1> My advice is always to seek the advice of a prefessional and work with him
<2> I know they often do injure not just the user, but the user's family, friends, employer, etc.
<8> The code of Hammurabi spells out how many times you may whip your slave through a Kief field each day, Far be it for me to contradict the oldest code of laws in history when it comes to drug use
<1> people who say stop your drugs stop seeing your doctors, pray with me, or let me cure you, These people are dangerous
<0> mmmm left over Olive Garden
<4> pilgrim has read every single ancient text
<2> FT: they can be, but so are those saying 'do whatever you want'
<1> You take the responsibiliity to cure people you have to take the responsibility to kill them
<2> 'it's all ok'
<8> the way you karvest kief (pot pollen) was to whip slaves thru a filed then scrape it off their bodies where it sticks
<2> well, unless you're a professional, I don't see how you'd have that responsibility
<8> field
<1> When I was very active in helpign alcoholics, telling schizophrenics that AA could save them they didnt need drugs, I was so foolish, and I hurt people.
<8> redfish not all...a few though...
<0> I don't think drugs are evil, I just want them to work when i REALLLLLLY need them
<1> they trusted and believed in me.
<2> pilg: yeah, N. India, too, and .pk, afaik, minus the whipping
<2> didn't know that the Babylonians did back then too.. interesting
<3> u need them most ar rock and roll shows
<3> and techno events
<3> at
<2> FT: you did, or they continued hurting themselves?
<1> thats when a great friend took me asided and said, my friend, if you purport to have the ability to hill then you must accept the responsibility of harming people or killing people.
<4> so pilgrim what do you think about the prophecy of nefer-rohu
<1> He taught me humility and not to tell other people what they should do.
<2> did you really have that much power over them?
<8> nefer means pretty I am not familiar with rohu
<1> I almost always tell people to talk to a doctor
<1> I can say, well this is my experience BUT
<1> We are all different and you have decide yourself with your doctor what is right.
<2> or did they make a choice in part influenced by you - or maybe made a choice contrary to your advice? Either way, can't see how it's more your responsibility than theirs
<2> right, doctors do have that responsibility
<4> pilgrim you havent read it? its basically a messianic prophecy
<1> Timur, When people have great faith and trust in you, Yes you can mislead them
<0> pilgrim, yeap now they "Rub the plant" in an upward motion, with their hands, the plant looks horrible but in about 2 weeks it bounces right back, in India they don't understand why Americans cut the whole plant down
<1> this is a danger preachers have, professionals, motivational speakers.
<1> etc etc etc.
<2> FT: but the only power you 'have' is power that 'they choose to give you', which can be withdrawn at will
<8> redfish I just looked it up. yes, I see that, no, I was more into the traditional religious works, political e***ays and the "magical" works of Egypt
<1> A 50 year old man came to me and thanked me when I was 25, He said it was your words which inspired me to go back to school, I have a nursing degree bow.
<1> So yes you can affect people
<1> Iused to do a lot of public speaking.. at the ened of one session a kid came up and asked me to be his foster parent.
<2> but he made that choice, you didn't 'make' him stop abusing drugs or booze or whatever, or go to school
<2> you helped him make a decision, but that's not the same as total responsibility or control
<1> I accepted after learning a little more and we had a successful relationship. but I dont do public speaking anymore.
<1> I dont try to save the world anymore.
<8> Free yep, I convinced 28 women they would better serve mankind...as hookers ;)
<1> I will try to help anyone who asks me for help
<2> pilg: onward, noble humanitarian
<1> But If its medical or legal I always advise them to check with a doctor or a lawyer, sometimes more than 1 doctor and a lawyer.
<2> speaking of that, I should eat before Christine comes over
<1> IN AA we had a saying.
<1> All I can share with people is my experience, hope and failures.
<0> man can't wait til MASH is on
<8> redfish I see he is from 2200BC
<1> My experiences hopes and failures dont tell others what to do but they may help them decide to do something for themselves.
<8> that puts him int eh 1st Intermediate Period
<1> other people inspired me to stop drinking and using drugs when I was an addict.
<1> Changed my life.
<8> after the fall of the Old Kingdom, and prior to the 12th Dynasty (the Middle Kingdom)
<1> Im reborn in a more realistic sense.
<1> I am reborn as a human being
<9> what were you before?
<1> I was a slave to alcohol and drugs and a user and abuser of other people.
<8> OK was a ant like communism witht he Pharoh as god. the Middle kingdom was a skay alliance of the Gnomarchs under a feudalism centred in Memphis
<1> I got my 14 year old cousin to stay with me one summer and take LSD every weekend
<8> shaky
<1> He still says it was the funnest part of his life ;)
<1> Hes a lawyer not in PA
<1> not = now
<8> Gnomarch= Govonor of a Gnome (state) Egypt had 14
<1> But still some people I encouraged to party died.
<1> One guy left my house after buying dope got stoned at my house drove out on the freeway wrong way, caught on fire, burned to death trapped in his car.
<1> Those are my sins
<1> I was under 23
<1> I did karma for some years
<1> I dedicated 3 years of my life to doing nothing but help people with alcoholism or drug dependency
<10> u are still a junkie
<1> Say what ?
<10> u take major painkillers?
<8> Free had you dedicated 3 years to ruthless profit and grinding your fellow man underfoot you coudl then have more money to help people
<0> THANK YOU
<0> heh
<10> **** you
<1> Disrespect
<1> Bye ***hole, I am not stoned or high..
<1> Some people have nothign but contempt for others
<1> I am not a junkie by any definition
<1> I am not an addict
<1> I dont get high or seek to get high.
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