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<0> millions are self medicating
<0> and they don't complain about the cost
<1> My mom sends me the dumbest **** via email
<2> Someone suggested on this channel, the other night, that universal health-care would be horrible socialist blow to the U.S.
<3> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060203/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_interview <--- damn.
<4> Stupid yank bashers love to attack americas health care systems, based SOLELY on federal number. Most states, counties and cities have their own programs
<5> cognate - 'suggested'
<0> most yank bashers view the totalitarian state as the ideal, bud`
<4> not to mention clinics that are funded by donations
<0> so nothing but the fed counts
<2> Ndorphin?
<5> cognate - people here are openly hostile and patholigically fearful of anything even approaching universal healthcare.
<5> its beyond 'suggestion'
<2> I see. :)
<6> heh, they do pay for it already...that's the funny part.
<1> I just question the benefits of such a program. And also whether that is a role we want government to play
<5> We just saw a gentleman from Sweden attacked for boasting about his country's successful health system.
<4> There's a lininc less than 5 minutes from me where you can go and get medical care for $0 if you're poor. They'll even buy your meds for you. This clinic is funded by donations from dozens of local companies, biggest one I believe being anheiser busch..
<7> Ndorphin: correct, what he considers "successful"
<4> clinic*
<1> Privatized health insuance has done nothng but increase the cost of health care for all steadily... why would gov. sinruance do any different?
<1> insurance*
<1> We'd just be paying for it differently
<6> Medicare does its admin work for under 3 percent, the best HMOs get is 9.
<6> heh.
<5> bud` - that's great. why should impoverished people have to depend on charity to keep from getting preventable, communicable disease that indirectly threatens you?
<8> Ndorphin...any more puerile excuses to explain how 40 million of your citizens are with health coverage, 1 in 4 are functionally illiterate, 700 times more people (per centage) are behind bars than in Nigeria, of 168 countries in the world your's provides NO paid family leave ( along with such distinguished company as Burkino Faso, Yemen and Burma) ? Excuses, excuses!
<9> http://xxxspacegirls.us/
<9> haha
<8> without!!
<10> Yes, imagine that, Ndorphin. It works very, very, well in my country, IMO. How's that HMO thing working out (and I don't pretend to know the answer authoritatively, so any irony is a happy bonus.)
<7> Sun: and yet, the USA affords a higher standard of living for millions of americans, than Sweden could ever.
<5> Sundodger - thats what i meant when i mentioned "demographic makeup". : ) of course education, literacy, incarceration, ect are a huge factor.
<5> Word - i'm confused about what you're asking. Where are you from ?
<1> Sundodger should we continually sacrifice indavidual liberties and responsibilities in favor of a large authoritative centrilized control of our lives?
<10> Ndorphin, I haven't yet adjusted to the speed of responses on this channel. I was referring to universal healthcare. And lastly, Canada.
<7> KoBushi: notice how people in the EU do not include "getting invaded by other nations" in their quality of life? :-)
<8> Lupine, I hate to burst your bubble but sitting in a trailer and WATCHING Paris Hilton doesn't make you rich, healthy or comfortable. The American standard of living lags behind that of Argentina and even Portugal. So don't throw silly platitudes out there.
<10> KoBushi, would universal healthcare be a sacrifice of liberties. If so, how?
<4> Ndorphin charity funded clinics are a MAJOR plus for any society, as are city health programs, as are county health programs, as are state health programs. My point was when ignorant jack***es attack Americas Health Care system, they REFUSE to acknowledge these programs. They only cite FEDERAL figures, which is not a reflection of health care in the USA at all
<7> Sun: lol.. you accuse me of thrwoing around silly platitudes, and you are talking about trailor parks and paris hilton.. lol
<0> hahaha Lupine
<8> OK Lupine...give me some facts and figures that bolster your claim!
<6> Heh I love Gore Vidal's piece on "President Jonah"
<4> If I was flat broke in the USA I would not be ashamed at all to walk into a clinic funded by charitable donations to receive free health care
<1> [Word] indirectly... because it would decrease the amount of purchase power of all americans. Now obviously buying X at walmart isn't exactly the liberty I'm refering to, but liberty is confined when nothing can be done with it (ie: due to a lack of capitol)
<5> bud` - a fair point, though i don't think he's an 'ignorant jack***.' Anyway we should go easy on him, he's probably only had a few hours of sunlight today.
<4> even if I was not flat broke, just low income I probably would
<1> [Word] also, it is an other push towards a federal centrilized authority in our daily lives. In the paticular context it may be worth it, but the trend is disconcerning
<6> The World Health Organization rates our healthcare system ("sic"or sick?) as 37th-best in the world, far behind even Saudi Arabia, role model for the Texans.
<11> whats the difference dude
<10> KoBushi, better answer than I anticipated. ;) "Higher taxes", then?
<6> Our annual trade deficit is a half-trillion dollars, which means that we dont produce much of anything the world wants except those wan reports on how popular our Entertainment is overseas.
<4> I wonder how many people who earn under $15/hr pay $70 to see a doctor without even realizing they probably qualify for sliding scale fees of like $10/visit at a county or state clinic
<11> no one in this country gives a **** about their health
<7> Sun: different people value different things. You can't lump them all into one equation. For example, to me, Sweden would be a hell-hole to live in, as I want a large, lush lawn.. with gr*** year round, and sculpted landscaping
<12> buddy
<5> hans-- To be fair, those female circumcisions in Saudi Arabia are HEAVILY government subsidized.
<8> bud` then why don't you help the 300,000 + homeless veterans who sleep rough every night into one of those charities or do you prefer to just scream "get a job" at them. After all , that's really "supporting the troops" wouldn't you say?
<5> ours require a co-pay
<11> everywhere you go there are usda recommended daily allowance charts and people dont care to follow them so now you care whether or not they have health insurance
<11> when they were the casue of their own god dam problem
<4> Sundodger you only sleep on the streets if you chose to
<13> You can not spuit on them, then us veterans as fodder for your failed welfare programs
<1> [Word] I mean, do we, as Americans, want the role of government to be that of a provider? Or that of a protector? The constitution gurantees us the PERSUTE of happiness, it doesn't gurantee us the resault (nor should it, imo)
<6> An International Monetary Fund report of 2004 concluded that the United States was careening toward insolvency. Meanwhile, China, our favorite big-time future enemy, is the number one for worldwide foreign investments, with France, the bete noire of our apish neocons, in second place.
<4> Sundodger shelters around me take in anyone, and have spare beds every night
<11> i dont give a **** about someone who smokes 3 packs of cigarettes a day then his job cuts off his health insurance
<10> KoBushi, someone told me recently that universal healthcare would force people to go to inferior clinics, not of their choosing. In Canada, I sometimes find it hard to believe my good luck, and freedom of choice.
<6> Well, we still have Kraft cheese and, of course, the death penalty.
<5> Sundodger - no no you dont understand, you only "support the troops" when they're fighting the unnecessary war started by the idiot you voted for.
<13> Qho let Sundodger in here? oh yeah, CometBaby's annual amnesty
<1> [Word] well I suppose it depends on how such a system is set up.
<4> gahh, some choice idiots in here tonight
<7> Word: explain why the national standards of waiting is poor.. and why so many canadians choose to come to the US, to pay out of pocket, for care?
<6> bring back tacos bud`
<6> :P
<1> [Word] but, imo, socialized health care... like Social Security here in the US, will continually become a larger and larger budren once in place.
<4> hans-- chalupas!
<5> hans-- the economic outlook for the US isn't thrilling, that's for sure. i'll bet on an 06-07 recession
<6> thanks bud`~
<13> hehe national healthcare is dead on arrival in the states.
<7> Ndorphin: what have YOU personally done to support the troops? I helped setup and administer the trust fund for the children of two soldiers, one KIA the other fully disabled
<4> btw: the only places that dont seem to have enough beds for homeless people in the shelters are liberal hellholes that ENCOURAGED them all to show up
<1> [Word] making medical care more $ every year (and thus, higher % of taxation every year, or few as it's adjusted)
<4> bbl
<7> i do not want "socialized healthcare" as I want better-than-average-care
<1> [Word] several states in the US have tried socialized health care systems; most have had severe problms, some have gone completely belly-up financially
<10> It's working here, KoBushi, and it sure ain't a new thing. I wish I could say our taxes aren't higher as a direct result of healthcare costs, but whatever references I've seen about that aren't handy.
<13> Canadians beg us not to nationalize our healthcare.
<6> which ones? The few in here that are conservative?
<12> darthburger
<14> shmeb
<8> Lupine...have you been to Sweden? Probably not. In fact you've probably never even left the US. To you all countries are what you see in comedy shows or action movies. You think Ireland is full of leprechauns and redheads, England is all bowler hats and "cup 'o tea", Germany is silly guys in Lederhosen slapping each other's faces, Australia is Crocodile Dundee and some crap beer called Foster's, and Russia is just vodka and people saying "c
<13> hans-- actually, it was on CNN
<6> I have family in Canada, they don't complain about their healthcare at all. They love their system, and take great pride in it.
<11> Lupine i personally volunteered to help pack boxed meals and medical supplies that was designated for the u.s troops in afghanistan
<6> Oh CNN, you believe that story huh
<14> Sun: don't forget the Polar bears on the streets of Norway, causing havoc
<13> well, I did take it with a grain of salt, but he seemed serious
<8> Timur...elks actually!
<10> Lupine, long waits for surgery have a lot to do with underfunding a system. I've heard little of that issue in Ontario, since we got rid of a fund-cutting Premier.
<14> ah, of course.
<15> Word I don't know what you call working. If waiting lists works for you, have at it.
<1> [Word] imo; health insurance should be done away with alltogether in the US; along with an alternate malpractice punishment... malpractice suits should be capped, but once a doctor is convicted of malpractice, he/she should no longer be allowed to be a doctor w/o some sort of direct supervision
<11> hans-- werent you the guy that said terry schiavo should live?
<14> and all French people wear berets, as they bicycle down the tree lined boulevards with a baguette
<7> sun: wow, you seem to be horribly ignorant
<11> not today
<13> Sundodger is a special kind of stuck on stupid.
<11> but when that whole thing unfolded
<14> guys
<6> Nope. That's a story line I really could care less about GZ
<14> are you saying most Americans have significant knowledge of other countries
<14> cause I gotta say, that's not at all my experience.
<5> Lupine - Glad you ask. When working for an environmental organization in 2004-2005, i helped organize a fund-raiser for one of our best volunteers, a middle-aged single mother who's 22 year old son was at the time serving in iraq. The goal was to get her a computer and internet access so that she could keep in better communication with him. He was killed in a helicopter crash about 3 months later.
<11> wow ..yet you chime in on health care
<7> word: I am not just talking about surgery, but basic tests and diagnostics
<10> CometBaby, I haven't experienced any kind of waiting lists for basic healthcare. There seems to be a BIG problem with MRI, and I can't explain that.
<8> Yup...there are no lush lawns in all of Sweden!
<11> isnt that odd?
<6> GZ, yah.
<7> Sun: not year round, unless you have them in a giant dome :P
<1> Timur no, but to ***ume someone gets thier international view of the world from sit coms and movies because they live in the US... well it's more than silly :)
<15> Word thats the key. So long as nothing major ever occurs you are good to go. If something major occurs , you are good to go for the border.
<10> Lupine, I can't speak for other provinces. I can get basic tests and diagnostics (bloodwork, X-ray, etc.) on a walk-in basis.
<13> hah, according to the World Health Organization, EVERY country in the world has better healthcare than the US
<7> Word: MRI/Catscan/etc are all part of basic healthcare in a modern society
<7> Darth: and yet, so many of them wish to come to the US when they need a major operation
<10> CometBaby, for MRI, I'd be off to Buffalo, myself.
<11> DarthBurg no way
<13> Lupine oh no, they go to canada, where its FREE
<15> Darth the truth is we have the best health care in the world and that is why they come from all over to have their care here .. it's ever good in places like Arkansas where the clintons governed :)
<7> Word: right, when I lived in western NY, it was sickening how many from toronto came down to the buffalo area.. detroit as well
<13> I just have one simple question.
<11> i think your twisting that statement.. who would make a bold statement like that and attach their name to it.. who attached their name to that statement dude?
<13> health care has a cost, right?
<15> Word you would be there for the surgery too .. unless you have time for the heart surgery.
<5> CometBaby - the US has the largest academic and corporate research base, which has benefits for high-level healthcare. As an integrated SYSTEM, the US' healthcare ****s.
<8> Lupine....well if all you aspire to is a lush lawn all the year round, then you've set the bar pretty low for yourself and your aspirations. Yup, I want to see those people in Maine, and Connecticut and Rhode Island decide when the first snows fall that life is just not the same because the lawn is frosted for a few months and head to Death Valley!
<1> I dunno, private hospitals in India and Thailand are just as good as the US's health care, but cheaper
<0> indeed it does, DarthBurg, and the insistence that some mythical someone else should always pay for it is at the level of expectation of the average middle cl*** 14 year old
<1> (they are cheaper because they do not have insurance companies skyrocketing thier prices)
<7> Sundodger: that is hardly all I aspire to. But you are ignoring the point I had made; DIFFERENT people value DIFFERENT things. You can not just arbritrarily claim certain things matter, and others do not.
<5> Its just more bush-esqu "we're the best in the world" self-delusion to think that the US' healthcare is anything but very lacking.
<7> sundodger: YOU may care about "free" healthcare. I could give a flying **** about it.
<10> CometBaby, I can only express my experience. Excellent and immediate emergency treatment (though I admit getting through ER can be a bitch) and scheduled surgery.
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