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<0> no, 57% of people who were asked do.
<1> Command is a disgruntled canadian
<2> SemperFI, Nope, I didnt, but gangs should all go back.
<2> Workers should stay
<1> it explains everything
<3> Those Republicans, why can't they be more like the GOP!
<1> the liberal canadians are so angry these days for some reason
<2> They are losing their fastest growing new base.
<4> yup
<2> Hispanic voters put bush in the white house in 2004
<1> I say we treat gangs no differently than Al-Qaeda
<2> I call it snatching defeat from the jaws of liberty
<1> they are terrorist threat
<2> Jaws of Victory I mean
<4> in the first installment of the series on pelosi, she comes off as the new cueball carville in a way
<1> are we going to wait for them to highjack a plane before we do something about them?
<3> Gangs aren't really terrorist.
<2> Gangs are ****ed and there is no reason we should tolerate them for a minute.
<2> Your a gangster you cant come here, You are out of here.
<2> Period
<3> Their main goal is just doing what they do, it's what gets on the way to that, that causes fear in the public.
<2> Your a hard worker... You can stay.
<3> Although they do kill way more people than 9/11 did.
<2> The House has no leadership, Delay would of got them in line.
<3> So I agree anyway.
<5> PO .. yes they are terrorist. When they begin they are just a group of hoodlums .. but it quickly evolves into a group of terrorists.
<2> Gingrich would of got them in line.
<4> Pelosi, installment 1: http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/04/03/MNGN8I2DKT1.DTL
<2> I dont care what his personal positions are.
<1> Gingrich would make a damn good presidnet
<2> **** Pelosi, She is a far left extremist.. I know everything i know about her.
<2> I need to know.
<3> CometBaby, eh, while granted most of the gangbangers I know are pretty well low in the gang ladder, they aren't about scaring people just for scaring people.
<2> Shes a far left nut
<3> They are about doing drugs, making money, and having lots of ***.
<4> one of the things it does is follow the money (sort of)
<5> PO .. disginguish for me the difference between "scaring people" on purpose, or not just for scaring them.
<2> People must be betting the alcatel lucent deal wont go through.. Lucent is trading above the announced buyout price.
<4> it's not clear where the money comes from, but it's clear she has more to spread around with some data on where and why she spreads it around
<5> not *just* to be scaring them
<1> heh
<3> CometBaby, well, a terrorist would make a set of pipe bombs and make a whole block explode, gangbangers would shoot a bystander to increase their credability.
<2> PO, Please I lived with Gangbangers they terrify neighborhoods they operate in.
<1> P_O tryingto justify terrorist activity by illegal immigrants
<3> It's a matter of scale.
<1> typical
<2> Adults because as afraid as children.
<3> `426Hemi, uh, shutup, I'm not even talking about illegals.
<2> I always called them in to the cops, but i always counseled them too.
<4> sorry, MS-13
<6> If I lived in an area with gang bangers
<6> and they har***ed me
<6> They would be some dead gang bangers
<3> You'd run a tank over them?
<6> No i'd pull my concealed handgun and shoto them
<3> Herzen, you know, killing a gangbanger isn't always a smooth move
<6> shoot*
<2> I built a gun protection on my house for hiding while shootting a framed section which was solid wood that no normal bullet could go through.
<1> "MS-13 may hands down be the most dangerous gang out there," said Wes McBride, president of the California Gang Investigators ***ociation and a veteran of the Los the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department. "They have no compunction about killing. MS-13 will kill a cop at the drop of a hat. They just don't mess around."
<3> cause gangbangers tend to have fellow gangbangers.
<7> We put a noose around their neck
<7> and burn cross on their front lawn
<3> And it'd be pretty easy to figure out which Ukranian immigrant shot the guy up.
<7> lol
<2> MS-13 is not big in California.
<1> Somerville, M***., police first noticed signs of MS-13's presence about a year ago, and in October three youths allegedly ***ociated with the group were accused of raping two deaf girls in the city's Foss Park. "There's definitely been an influx of MS-13 members in the Boston area," said Somerville police Lieutenant Charles Femino.
<4> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/04/02/INGGTI0B3I1.DTL 'Gangs without borders were born in the USA, returned to their homeland and now migrate back and forth between here and there'
<6> P_O, Ukrainian immigrant, I wonder if they can tell the difference between Ukrainian immigrants and Russian immigrants
<2> IM saying illegal gangbangers, who even have the tatoo or other mark.. Hes back to mexico.
<3> Herzen, that's what you need to do
<3> move in with a Russian
<1> When former MS-13 member Alex Sanchez first joined in the early 1980s, the gang - also called Mara Salvatrucha, a slang term for guerrilla fighters - was just a bunch of "stoners" who loved heavy metal music and hung around together in the Rampart area of Los Angeles, Sanchez said.
<3> and when you shoot the guy up
<3> move out
<2> Citizen gangsters we can only deal with through the justice system with due process of law.
<6> P_O, and I wonder how much gang bangers mess with Russian immigrant communities in major US cities
<4> these gangs were formed in the 1980s in the aftermath of civil war in El Salvador
<7> we should just kick the men out
<1> Mara Salvatrucha, a slang term for guerrilla fighters <--- gee why do they call themselves guerrilla fighters
<7> and keep the hoochis
<4> some of them hide out in mexico, but they're not mexicans
<2> Semper-Fi, The Mexican gangs go back to the 50s. and before.
<1> because they are such NICE people!
<3> Herzen, eh, if there are "Russian immigrant communities" in a given city, odds are it's segragated to the point where you won't have to deal with much more than other Russians.
<2> And some are worse than others, 90% of the damage they do is to each other.
<2> El treces and El Nortes are old gangs.
<3> FreeMrkts, that's true with all gangs.
<6> P_O, Eastern Euros in USA since 1991 have a tendancy to put they enemies at the bottom of the river in much the same manner as our friends in the silk suits
<2> 13s and 14s, but they are not MS 13, and they are not el salvadoran.
<2> These are old mexican gangs, 14s are american citizens mostly.
<6> In the major centers and major neighborhoods
<4> 'The existence of the gangs and their facile migration back and forth across the southern U.S. border is a seldom considered aspect of the current immigration debate going on in this country, but the gangs carry ramifications for whatever legislation is eventually approved by Congress'
<3> Herzen, yeah, but eastern euros claim entire neighborhoods, doesn't work that easy if you're in someone else's neighborhood.
<2> They go by 14,s Quatorces, Nortes,
<4> called 'maras' which take that name from the spanish word for 'army ants'
<2> 13s go buy, 13 Treces, and Sur's
<1> Washington, D.C. (AHN) - The FBI has launched a m***ive sweep of a Hondouran street gang known as MS-13, which has recently been linked to Al-Qaeda terror cells operating in Mexico.
<2> Yeah but non mexicans are worse than mexican gangs.
<3> Anyway, I really need to get off of here, cause I've got to finish a project in ~30 minutes that I was supposed to spend weeks on.
<1> According to officials, MS-13 has been linked to Al-Qaeda over a year ago when federal officers found them trying to smuggle in crates of RPG's through Mexico.
<1> The trademark of the gang is to use machetes to behead rival gang members, as well as hack to death innocent civilians who have reported crimes the gangs have committed in their communities.
<1> At least 90-percent of the gang members are here illegally.
<3> And this place isn't helping.
<4> 'Impuestos, or self-styled taxes, that they levy against bus drivers, shopkeepers, even homeowners, are their main source of income. Gangs have been known to levy "rape taxes" on the parents of young neighborhood girls. The payoffs are intended to ensure their daughters are not attacked'
<2> But I would have 0 tolerance for Illegal gang members.
<1> but HEY! they aren't terrorists
<1> NOT at all!
<3> `426Hemi, what about the gangs that are full of US citizens?
<3> Do you care about them?
<3> Or is it just the mexicans? :P
<2> I would allow a family who works honesly if his kid gets in a gang they could send the kid back to a grandparent or primo in mexico.
<3> FreeMrkts, you should've said abuelo instead of grandparent :P
<2> We must have the workers, but the trouble makers the leeches must go, and that is the gangbangers and the non workers.
<2> It would be easier to get rid of them if we identified the workers.
<7> why not just keep the hoochis
<1> Friday, June 3, 2005; Page B02
<1> A group believed to be members of a violent street gang, at least two of them wielding machetes, chased and then slashed an 18-year-old Springfield man Sunday night, an attack that Fairfax County police did not disclose until it was revealed in court documents yesterday.
<2> PO, Well I speak Spanglish which means I intersperse english and mexican words together.
<1> Police think that members of the street gang Mara Salvatrucha, or MS-13, were responsible for the attack, according to an affidavit for a search warrant served yesterday on a nearby house.
<7> why not just keep the hoochis, since men are statistically most likely the one commit crime
<7> so barring men from entering US
<7> u cut most of the crime out
<1> i say we accidentally ship you back to mexico in a maids costume and drop you off on a street corner in Mexico City
<2> The status quo might be better if its a lousy work visa program. Who can prove they work without their employer being a criminal given some bills. mostly republicans.
<2> So they want to piss off people who vote republican and pur registered republicans in jail.
<4> strange, in that photo of a gang member with a 'bleeding shoulder' there's no blood
<4> dunno that I trust this 'Victor Blue'
<2> This issue I think unless salvaged by Bush and the Senate, who are trying. Will be the bill which cost republicans thier power... I still think McCain will win in 2008 though.
<4> how'd he get inside the prison to take the photos, I wonder
<2> semper-fi, hence why I never trust photos unless I know the source and trust the source.
<4> the photos are so clean and the colours so clear it almost has a david lynch Blue Velvet effect :P
<2> I also dont trust videos unless they capture the whole scene and the audio and from every angle.
<4> this article on gangs was on the sfgate front page yesterday, but today it can be found only by doing a search for it
<2> All Lawyers know that VIdeo evidence though damning is not always correct.
<2> But they fear it because a lot of ****ers will vote in the jury based on it.
<2> Hey Joseph!
<1> buahaha Supreme Court smacked the hell out of Padilla
<2> Rusty it was a major victory for Bush policy
<1> yeap
<2> More importantly and it was 6-3 meaning it would of p***ed if the old court was still there.
<1> holy crap stocks are giong through the roof today
<2> Yep
<2> Some are basing it on the Alcatel/Lucent merger.
<2> I am suspect though that it may not go through
<1> the liberals on the court are tucking their tails
<1> hahaha
<2> Rusty, no they are issuing there typical opinions
<2> The thing is its now a 6-3 rather than a 5-4 court
<7> Corporate America overall racked up a staggering $9.1 trillion in sales and $610 billion in profits -- both records.
<2> I hope for judicial restraint. This decision which I dont know the details of I know what everyone else knows, It concerns me only that its a very fine line. But I dont know what the legal arguments were.
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