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Comments:
<0> ChrisC, you mentioned he was an author
<1> P_O: that was 1500 years ago
<2> robert fisk turns my stomach
<3> deaddog, hence the "historically" clause in my statement.
<4> P_O: oh, the whole "middle east used to be a shining beacon of science and civilization, bringing the human race such wonders as alchemy, alcohol, altruism and alqaeda?"
<2> he's a terrorist sympathizer, plain and simple
<1> P_O: way on back there
<1> :)
<5> lol
<4> P_O: those centuries are long gone
<5> Command - what makes you think he's a terrorist sympathizer?
<1> lol e-hendrick
<3> I love how people seem to ignore the word that I purposely spaced from the rest of the statement for the purpose of people reading it.
<5> because he's interviewed Osama Bin Laden?
<1> ChrisC: have you ever read anything by Fisk?
<6> Osama bin Laden recommended Fisk's reporting as "neutral."
<5> indeed, I live in the UK and my daily paper is the Independent
<6> Ethan Bronner, The New York Times, November 19, 2005, "A Foreign Correspondent Who Does More Than Report"
<1> but did you read it?
<5> of coure
<5> I've read The Great War for Civilisation too
<1> sympathy was dripping from every orifice of his pasty body!
<5> not his first book, mind you
<1> EVERY orifice
<6> he's an Arablicker
<4> damn them arablickers!
<4> kill them all!
<6> yeah!
<0> ChrisC, right, when he found there were so may that were so easily duped he wrote more
<7> sZ9 is banned (Requested by TheTaiIor )
<2> ChrisC: after iran made it's comments about wiping israel off the map fisk was the only reporter I saw who said the comments don't mean anything and everyone's throwing a hissy fit
<8> heh, I still have my manueverable Asteroid weapon idea, large Asteroid hit in the middle east should take them out for a few years
<5> uhm, they hardly represented a change in Iran's position, mind you
<3> Hey, I'm practically Arab, shutup :P
<4> WotGorila: m*** drivers?!!
<2> ChrisC: the difference now is iran is close to getting nuclear weapons
<5> hmm, they are still more than a few years off that
<5> I don't know that they have a supply of heavy water for one
<8> Just land another ship on an asteroid, but with a propulsion system so you can steer it into the middle east
<2> ChrisC: bringing nuclear weapons into the picture puts a whole new spin on rhetoric about wiping a country off the map
<4> WotGorila: you realise that this would kill the rest of the earth just as well? Asteroids are bad idea... nukes are a better choice, for wanton carnage of such immense proportions.
<5> Israel would certainly make a preemptive strike though
<5> they've shown that before
<8> no it wouldn't, if you picked the right asteroid
<5> in Iraq
<2> ChrisC: ok you're obviously also a terrorist sympathizer. I try to have a rational argument with someone and it turns out they're not rational
<4> well, there's a point to be made that Iran has been posturing about israel and driving it into the sea, for decades
<8> then you can just blame Allah for the asteroid
<5> lol, is that what it comes down to now - somebody disagrees with a rather rightwing view and they are a terrorist sympathiser?
<4> so how is it different today? I mean, Iran has always hated Israel and told just that to anybody who wanted to hear it
<6> Command: esp since 1. they already fund Hizbollah and Islamic Jihad 2. have been ramping up their military across the board 3. make no bones about their ambitions for regional hegemony 4. have camps to train terrorists in hijacking planes etc (etc..etc..etc..)
<2> ChrisC: oh now I'm right wing? well I am pro-choice, so **** on that
<8> only people will think America drove an asteroid into the middle east would be the conspriracy nuts
<5> lol, that's a somewhat simplistic view, don't you think?
<4> Timur-: are you ***erting that Iran runs aircraft hijacking camps?
<5> that you can't be right wing and pro-life?
<2> ChrisC: I saw pro-choice
<2> saw=said
<5> pro-choice, whatever you americans call it ;-)
<6> ehernick: sure, it's documented
<8> cost about 300 million to land a ship on an asteroid, less then half the price of a Shuttle Launch, we could get rid of the middle east for good, thousands of years of war would come to a close
<3> WotGorila, that plan sounds great, until the ~1/3 Billion muslims in the Indonesian area pummel whoever is responsible.
<8> but that's the beauty of it, nobody gets blamed
<8> ;)
<2> Timur-: a lot of these people who argue that iran is not dangerous simply do not care about israel. if a nuke were launched on israel they'd be completely apathetic
<3> (While continuing to sell cheap manufacturing)
<1> sorry, was called away
<9> ChrisC there's plenty of pro choice republicans, and plenty of pro life democrats
<5> it's odd, the majority of people in the UK don't care about abortion - wonder wht the rather left wing lib dems don't win every election
<2> ChrisC: See above. That means you.
<1> ChrisC: a point you and I agree on, abortion is a non-issue
<5> uhm - I care about Israel
<2> sure you do
<4> Do you people remember the O'Chiraq incident, where the french helped Saddam build the Osirak nuclear reactor, and weeks before the french were to fuel it with HEU, the Israelis struck with F-15s and F-16s, rendering the reactor unusable, forcing Saddam to abandon his plan?
<8> only people that would believe we would fly an asteroid into the planet as a weapon are conspiracy nuts, and nobody listens to them anyways
<5> it's a first world country that provides a lot of good to the world
<4> Don't you think that the Israelis are our best hope to take out any iranian nuclear reactors?
<1> ChrisC: Like Britain, and the US
<5> it often behaves very very irresponsibly though, IMHO
<1> but not France
<8> France is mess anyways, who cares what they think
<5> France provides good too
<1> France ****s
<5> films, and, uhm, bread
<6> e-Hernick: no, because Israel doesn't have enough of the bunker buster bombs or delivery capacity to do it solo
<1> ChrisC: the bread ****s too
<9> ChrisC also, you are flat out lying if you are telling us the abortion debate is not alive and well in the UK
<2> they should send in team america to take care of iran's nukes
<4> Timur-: are you sure that Israel is unable to do it, even if they were to be resupplied by the US military? What do you think they need?
<6> Chris: and wine, and cheese, and pastry, and coq au vin, and foie gras, mushrooms, good olive oil..
<5> uhm, there is a debate on abortion, sure
<4> Timur-: Israel can easily muster up a strike force of two dozen planes...
<6> e-Hernick : a lot more planes and refuelers and overflight rights
<1> Timur- US makes better wine, Italy is THE olive oil place, and mushrooms grom in poo in the dark
<5> but it's not something the majority of people consider an issue
<8> what would a strike do, wouldn't accomplish anything, like throwing stones at a bee hive...you want to get rid of the hive, you kill ALL the bees
<4> Timur-: they didn't care about overflights last time.. they went straight over enemy territory
<6> dead: no, you can get excellent olive oil anywhere in the Mediterranean - though I will admit, the best olive oil I've had is Italian
<5> the debate surrounds the cutoff date for abortions more than the actual right to abortion itself
<6> tasted like lemons!
<9> ChrisC there is abortion debate in every western country, and it's no different than it is in the US. just people have an unhealthy obsession with u.s. politics
<10> Timur: face it, the French are living on dreams of faded glory that never were
<6> e-Hernick: which may not be enough, as Iran now has top of the line Russian AA missiles, and further, there's the overflight issue
<1> WotGorila: the western world cannot kill the whole middle eastern one, it would not be sporting
<5> oh, the French were pretty powerful back between the wars
<9> ChrisC infact I was just reading in a british paper about the UK Pro Life groups
<11> Iran has converted its money to the euro
<5> pretty significant empire
<8> well, then you will ALWAYS deal with problems, Middle east will be at war for the next million years
<11> every blerry country in the world is droping the USD
<5> bud - pro life groups exist, of course - that doesn't mean that it's a big issue
<1> ChrisC: France was cool back in the days of Napoleon
<5> we have groups of people who think the earth is flat, too
<5> and people who still speak Welsh, for god's sake ;-)
<1> WotGorila: Genocide is simply not an option
<8> Maybe I can raise enough money to land my own ship on an asteroid, hire out of work aerospace engineers
<8> :)
<4> The US population suffers from a far greater infection of fundamentalism than do the populations of most first world countries.
<8> Genocide worked in America
<8> :)
<1> ChrisC: whaddya mean, the earth isnt flat?
<10> Napoleon had to sew buttons on their coat sleeves so they wouldn't wipe their noses on them as they were running away from the Russian winter
<6> Oc: is that so?
<4> attacking the russians during the winter is fairly stupid
<1> WotGorila: which attempt, it didnt work, there are still Native Americans, and I'm glad for it. Cool guys, indians, you know
<8> If Rodgers Rangers didn't slaughter all the idians that would come into New York and slaughter whole towns, we would still be dealing with indian terrorists, it's just part of their culture
<10> Timur: is what so?
<6> the button on sleeve things
<6> morning, btw
<8> some tribes are ok, but there are some that were not
<10> Timur: morning to you too
<8> just like with some groups of people
<6> thanks!
<1> WotGorila: crimes against Native Americans not-withstanding, Europeans and NAtive Americans co-exist peacefully
<4> WotGorila: do you think that the british and french use of WMDs in America against the First Nations, specifically smallpox, was justified?
<8> yes
<1> WotGorila: you are a sick individual
<10> deaddog: what else is new?
<8> I'm a french Indian war Historian, many tribes needed to be wiped out
<4> needed to be wiped out?
<8> It's just a fact you have to deal with
<4> you're defending genocide, aren't you?
<1> WotGorila: some people just need killin, huh?
<4> WotGorila: are you now or have you ever been a card-carrying genocidal maniac?
<8> we wouldn't have an America without it
<2> I bought the back to the future trilogy box set and watched it all weekend. I think I'm going to have to ban myself from watching tv, I have absolutely no self control. watching tv for 20 minutes turns into 7 hours
<10> Wot: yeah, and Canada wouldn't be Canada without it, right?
<1> WotGorila: just because it al worked out in the end does not justify the means
<8> Once we got rid of certain tribes, we could more easily settle into areas where tribes would bash babies heads against trees
<8> If you want to defend baby killers, sure
<8> heh
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