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<0> they got that down pact 1,000 years ago
<0> haha
<0> like
<1> It should certainly remove Article 9
<1> and begin building a military
<0> Hezren: Can you link me?
<2> Publius, could you try not to scroll munch with one word entries please?
<0> Her
<1> Publius, to what?
<0> ...
<1> ROC + a strong Japan would probably balance China
<0> Linus: Yes...I know
<3> But Japan is fine....without one
<0> Herzen: The Japanese con. or kyoto treaty
<4> Herz: I'm not sure Japan really wants to deal with the reprocussions of doing that.
<2> vemo, because it has US backing
<1> Publius, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Japanese+constitution&btnG=Google+Search
<0> I'll go look...
<1> Publius, Kyoto has nothing to do with it
<0> hahaha
<3> Nah...they are like switzerland now
<2> other than in name
<2> VemoD, hjow so?
<1> Publius, Article 9
<5> Abusive Domain or User
<2> north korea and china wouldnt mind zinging them
<6> Astro: Hey I got that documentary btw if you still want to stream
<2> and then theres that territorial waters dispute
<1> China just wants Japan to pay tribute to them
<1> more then anything
<3> Just a great country with HUGE HUGE artisic talent and HUGE HUGE scientific talent
<2> and stay out of their waters
<1> to be subserviant
<4> Herz: Getting rid of Article 9 would put Japan in that position, for awhile.
<0> alright
<0> one sec
<2> Publius
<2> stop
<2> that
<4> (***uming it also meant the end of the US Defense pact)
<1> I doubt it would end the US Defense pact if Japan played their cards right
<4> Boka: DCC/URL for the video?
<1> perhaps negotiate a 5 year extension of the Defense pact after the end of Article 9
<1> for Japan to get on its feet
<2> Publius Publius Publius!
<4> Herz: That'd be the tough part.
<1> Depends on the security climate
<1> but with a Republican in office and Japan pledging troops to the WoT
<6> Astro: I can DCC if that's cool, I got it from torrent
<1> It wouldn't be that tough
<3> Japan has lots of culture....the kids in most parts (not tokyo) take care of their parents....etc etc
<4> Herz: Realistically though, Japan couldn't ever hope to maintain an equal standing with China, for any length of time.
<0> I was reading the Jappo constituton
<0> ...
<3> Its a nice place..
<1> Why?
<3> People respect each other
<0> this whole "Emperor" nonsense has got to go
<2> japan does have a high suicide rate amongst teens though
<4> Herz: Size, basically. Same reason the Ukraine couldn't maintain against Russia, or... say Cuba, against the US.
<2> you don't want to lose face
<7> VemoD, if they didn't commit suicide in their 20's, because of the stress :)
<3> linus: nah....that just Tokyo
<1> Astrodog_, In this context Economy is more important then size
<2> japanese kids are in school for 8+ hrs
<3> linus: Sweden had the highes suicide rate
<0> OMG
<1> Japan could maintain a fairly good sized force with its economy
<2> tokyo is japan
<1> modern
<1> Enough to deter any action by China
<2> sweden?
<0> Japanese is just too subjective for rule of law
<2> wonder why
<1> and I said Japan + ROC
<1> afk
<0> the language
<3> linus: Thats like saying NYC is the uS
<4> Herz: But I'm not sure it could keep up with China. That'd be the hard part.
<2> not really
<3> linus: I've lived there for 3 years, and yes it is
<0> They got an uber police force man
<2> tokyo's population and geographic size constitute much larger share of japan as a whole than NY:USA
<3> Tokyo is a city man
<4> The ROC can barely maintain enough of a force to deter China now, and that's WITH US support.
<0> there are some worries about a return to imperialistic ideas under Koizumi...I haer
<3> linus: I lived with farmers that had cows
<4> Pub: Against who?
<0> No one in particular
<6> Linus: Would it be more equivilant to California:USA
<2> VemoD, and?
<4> China could kick an imperalist Japan's ***. So could we. Hell, South Korea would give it a decent run.
<2> Bokavitch, ha, i was just thinking that
<3> linus: and so....Japan is not = tokyo
<0> Astro: Dog yeah...hahah
<0> but they have that whole suicide thign...
<6> Linus: hehe
<6> seppuku
<6> it's the latest fad in japan
<0> hai!
<2> do you not understand symbolic ***ociation?
<6> It's all the rage with the kids
<2> seppuku?
<6> ritual suicide
<2> is that an ale?
<2> oh ;)
<6> what the samurai did to maintain honor hehe
<0> Anyone ever notice how the American constitution...the first one is the shortest?
<2> i heard its a dying trend though ;)
<6> lol
<2> its followers dwindling
<0> nobody freakin got the point
<6> Jesus did anyone look at the proposed EU constitution before the French rejected it? That ****er was huge
<2> Publius, times were simpler then
<2> plus they were in a rush as
<2> the british were coming!
<0> Linus: we haven't amended outs 50 kagillion times
<0> ours
<2> no, but we have amended it
<0> 16?
<2> 24?
<0> I mean
<2> i don't know
<0> the Bill of rights were in the original
<2> were they?
<6> pretty much
<0> Yeah...they were as huge fuss about it
<0> "fuss"
<6> they were p***ed immediately afterward i think
<0> hahaha
<6> Patrick Henry if i remember right?
<2> they didn't sign the bill of rights at constitutional convention, did they?
<0> I don't believe he was the main guy
<6> Wasn't he?
<6> i'll have to look into this
<0> the BIll of rights was the anti-fedaralist victor
<0> victor
<0> y
<0> but Paine was involved
<2> it was a comprimise by the federalists
<0> yeah
<0> Hamilton despised it
<2> but hamilton would have allowed the confederate states to secede
<0> Alright you just don't do this
<0> Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes.
<2> if'n he lived that long
<6> "After the Revolution, Henry was an outspoken critic of the United States Constitution and urged against its adoption, arguing it gave the federal government too much power. As a leading Antifederalist, he was instrumental in the adoption of the Bill of Rights to amend the new Constitution."
<0> Boka: yeah...I said I heard he was involved but he didn't write it
<2> so it wasn't part of the original at all
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