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<0> helmets are law also
<1> I was lucky enough to learn that lesson without having to be seriously injured
<2> never heard of them
<3> grimmy 3 HS friends of mine that never graduated
<2> ah
<1> it wasn't a high speed accident. Had it been, I imagine I would have gone right through the windshield
<1> instead of simply smashing it with my head.
<2> evolution in action
<3> 11 of my peers died in HS
<3> Drugs or equiv all
<4> Seatbelt laws are unfair
<0> personaly I can udnerstand the whole freedom issue with not wearing a helmet on a motorbike, but I just think your crazy not to wear one really, apart from the safety issue which is the number one issue for me, there is the flying bugs into your eyes and mouth issue, cold issue etc
<0> heh
<5> Two of my high school buddies were killed in a jeep role over
<3> no they are not
<2> Cry about like that for me
<4> yes they are, they take away your freedom
<3> what happens when yer upper middle cl*** and bored
<3> A seatbelt saved my lide once....
<2> Cry you know the song Richard Cory (S%G)?
<3> its the second thing I do in a car
<3> pilgrim who sings it?
<4> ive been in alot of car accidents seatbelts have saved me injury several times
<0> well we wont have to worry about high impact crashes soon anyways heh
<4> but that doesnt mean that the government has the right to force me to wear one
<2> Simon and Garfunkle
<2> oldie
<0> once the oil runs out we will all be going at 30 mph top speed in our bio fuel celeld cars
<0> lmao
<6> Peoples lives have been saved and lost due to seatbelts, Obviously many more saved, but which instance you will find yourself in if you do you can not predict. The Seatbelt could kill you or save you?
<6> So there you go.
<1> I don't mind seatbelt laws really
<1> as long as it's not a primary offense
<3> Vortrolic....if YOU do not wear a seatbelt and get killed...I have to pay more for my insurance, despite wearing one
<3> that is bull****
<1> with the exception of an unrestrained child
<2> "But I work in his factory, and I curse the life I'm livin and I curse my poverty...and I wish that I coudl be Richard Cory.."
<5> Seatbelt laws make insurance payments more fair
<3> your argument solely on that basis lacks credence
<5> so pffft big deal we have seat belt laws
<1> unrestrained kid should be a pulling over offense
<6> Cry thats the cl***ic Democratic reason..
<2> I wear a belt, I dispise the law.
<0> yeah i think seatbelt laws are a good thing all round msyelf.
<6> Republicans reasons are usually personal freedom based.
<0> same as I do for wearing helmets on motorbikes
<7> or personally making more money based
<0> their just good common sense
<7> 8*)
<2> I always wear a belt, I dispise "for your own good"
<6> I think they are good for people under 18 but after that it shouldnt be illegal.
<7> but dont wear a helmet i will continue to call you a ****ing moron
<7> :P
<0> obviously the new technology in car frames like crumple zones also helps etc
<4> just because i think someone else should protect themselves doesnt give me the right to force them to do so
<7> cause it takes a special kind of moron to not wear a motorcycle helmet
<4> should people be forced to wear condoms when they have ***?
<0> fonebone, yeah
<6> I bet you wouldnt go into a bar full of bikers and call them morons for not wearing helmuts.
<1> heh. I always think of Gary Busey when the helmet law subject arises
<0> i would cause i know they would be able to catch me on their ****ty hogs
<0> lol
<1> He's a walking poster boy for helmet laws. :)
<7> heh... well.. id rest easy in the knowldge that some of them were gonna die for their stupidity freemrkt
<0> while im doing 180mph on my kwak
<6> fonebone, such discriptions of people exercising personal choice are immature. To refer to them as morons.
<0> hehe
<1> Well, some choices are profoundly stupid though
<7> hey... ive lost friends because of it free.. im not randomly firing off
<6> Fonebone, thats their buisness
<6> Fone, And i have had friends wreck at over 100 mph on the freeway with a motorcyle and walked away....
<6> yeah it blew my mind too.
<7> well.. thanks to them ALL bikers have a bad rep...
<7> that can happen
<7> all depends on how ya land
<0> things that help with a motorbike crasha are leathers
<0> leathers save lives
<0> and bones
<0> trust me
<1> yeah
<1> my father in law rides motorcycles a lot
<7> i wear full gear most of the time i ride.. but i always have on a helmet
<4> so we should force people to wear leather when they ride a motorcycle
<1> he always chuckles when he sees some dumb kid riding around in shorts and a tshirt
<5> "Candidates need to have VB/C++ and FoxPro experience and have worked with CSV and common delaminated files"
<0> i have 2 bikes myself it is a rare thing for me to drive the car
<6> I dont even own a Motorcyle much less a helmut because I have kids, but thats a personal choice. I drive like a stunt driver when I am on a bike, so its easiest for me not to have a bike..
<5> Common Delaminated !!!
<7> nah... leather generally doesnt do much to save your life.. it saves you from a world of hurt though
<0> oh it does it can help on impact for your bones believe me
<7> oh i agree nemes
<7> and from having to pick gravel out of your skin for the next 20 years
<6> A lot of chest trauma is caused by seatbelts, although its better than a broken neck or head.
<0> ive had a few doozies on my bikes over the yrs and the leathers especially the leg leathers have saved my legs from going crack a few times
<7> if you get trauma from a seatbelt in that manner if you didnt have it on the steering wheel would have done worse free
<1> fonebone, heh, I have a road rash scar on my shoulder from a bicycle wreck when I was 13
<1> you can still see the faint gray lines where I imagine some particles of gravel are still in there
<6> Ultimately do we save people from themselves and how much so ? Do we fine fat people for being overweight ? Contributes to a lot of deaths.
<0> i do my knees on like a regualr basis lol
<0> i go through loads of skidders for my knees
<0> perm sore lol
<8> more than one kid fine heh
<7> and i didnt say we should make it law to wear helmet... i will just have a bad opinion of those not wearing them freemrkt
<8> China
<7> and it is my business.. their carelesness gives ALL riders a bad name
<2> I was t-boned in my truck in 2000 only injury: cracked rib... from the seatbelt
<0> saved you from going superman out the window though pilgrim`
<6> Fonebone, not neccessarily that the steering wheel would of done much worse. a lot of factors would have to be looked at.
<7> if i have to accept some of the flack generated by their freedom then i expect that entitles me to an opinion of them
<0> yeah i will gladly take verbal flak from any biker for wearing my helmet
<2> Nemes T-bone. and the airbag NEVER deployed
<0> doesnt bother me 1 iota
<7> heh... my favorite is the people that believe that helmets are MORE dangerous
<0> mind you i dont see any the flak you will be talking about as its law over here
<6> haha, Everyone has a right to an opinion but when we judge others harshly, then expect to be judged Hashly yourself for others peoples opinions.
<7> "itll rip your head off in an accident"
<2> I wear a belt, on a bike I wear a helmet. I think it is sound and rational to do so, I dispise the law
<6> I personally believe in maximizing the freedoms of adults.. Obviously I believe in limits.
<0> besides a good tinted visor looks cool
<6> Pilgrim when I rode my bike I didnt wear a helmut.
<0> :)
<7> and what ****s is i really do have to pay insance amounts of insurance to cover for those guys freemrkts
<6> I dont like them
<7> democratic reasoning or not
<6> My visibility is impaired by a helmut
<5> I debated with my wife for a year to wear a helmet skiing, she finally gave into me in Jan of this year. In feb she fell and hit her head pretty hard. Was thankful to have the helmet on
<7> it still ****s
<7> :P
<2> "for your own good" laws ar patronizing, insulting. Laws, any sort of law, that rasies that level of contempt cheapens all law and makes all law subject to contempt and to being ignored.
<0> heh i hadnt really thought about a helemt for skiing
<6> And I have never been in a rode wreck, I have on trail riding, racing and hill climbing.. I have road a motorcycle since age 12
<0> goggles yeah
<1> fonebone, same sort of thinking as the people who don't get their kids vaccinated because of slight risks of complications. Or the people who claim that seatbelts will kill you
<0> but a helmet hrm
<6> I owned a Honda 125
<1> No recognition of the odds
<6> It was actually a very nice bike..
<2> don't make laws you KNOW will be ignored if you are insistent that other laws be obeyed
<5> nemes packed snow is about as soft as cement
<6> (at 12)
<0> rond, yeah suppose your right there
<3> Nemes...if insurance rates were not collectively figured...drive like Lord Humongous
<7> and if they are free to not wear helmets shouldnt insurance companies be free to charge them more for not doing so freemrkt?
<6> pilgrim thats another good point, Make enough laws and noone will take it seriously anymore.
<7> and giving those that do wear helmets a break?
<3> The Road Warrior....
<1> fonebone, I'm sure they would anyway, wouldn't they?
<7> nah.. they cant legally charge any difference
<1> or flat out refuse to cover them other than for liability
<6> Its like the law against using a cell phone or drinking coffee or reading a book while driving. Its mostly not enforced because there are too many other laws
<3> he can't catch mad max..so he slaps the Nitrous Oxide...and drives in a straignt intercept course through buildings and people
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