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<0> Again, MY first impression is murder.
<1> KoBushi, they never do.
<0> but so often in video tapes we are proven wrong with our first ***umptions.
<2> At worst, he'lll be off the force.
<0> I will wait for more details to make a judgement.
<0> He is off the force
<0> under review
<2> yeah, ad that's the worst penalty he's likely to get
<0> There must be some claim by the officer or else he would be arrested.
<0> So we must hear the officers side of the story
<0> before we prejudge
<2> No he wouldn't.
<0> we also need to hear what other witnesses say apparently there were a few people at the site right ?
<2> Police don't enforce the law when it comes to other police, unless they are IA
<0> He has p***enger and the cop had a cameraman and other cop at least I think.
<2> FreeTrade yeah in the video there seemed to be... as someone on the vide was saying "you just told him to get up!"
<3> there is now a further proplem with pics and Videotape...
<0> KoBushi, they do in extreme cases like this
<3> PhotoShop and Premiere
<0> Many Many Cops are veterans
<0> They will not allow a brother to murder another brother.
<4> Free: Did the mili guy have a weapon or something?
<3> FT...depends......
<2> It seems pretty clear to me, the officer told him to get up, he should have told him to stay down. Perhaps he mispoke; I dunno.
<0> Astro, that is the question I am waiting to find out before rendering a judgement
<3> that series The Shield is something else
<2> But to ask someone to get up of the ground... and ten shoot them immediately as they try to, it's ridiculous
<0> If you are going to arrest someone you might well tell him to get up
<0> put his hands and head on the trunk of the car.
<4> KoB: If the guy had a gun, and started to pull it as he got up... the cop was entirely justified.
<0> I have been arrested many times was never arrested on the ground.
<2> FreeTrade no, no when they are already on the ground, especially when they are considered a risk as someone in a speeding car in a chase would be
<0> Either standing up or with my head hugging the trunk of the police car
<2> Astrodog the co wasn't justified in asking him to stand up
<0> one time with the indentation of my head in the trunk
<0> ;)
<4> KoB: Sure he was.
<2> no, he wasn't
<0> KoBushi, did you hear what I said ?
<0> Have you ever been arrested ?
<2> FreeTrade yeah, but yu weren't already on the ground
<2> FreeTrade nor did you run from them :P
<0> Yes I was
<5> the indentation of your head? that must have ****ed
<4> KoB: The cop probably wanted him to back up, and put his hands on the car. That's pretty normal.
<0> On an occasions or two
<0> Astro right
<0> Back up slowly
<0> Hands visible
<0> hands on the back of the head
<2> "back up slowly" ... he was already face down on the ground
<0> keeping comeing back slowly do not move
<0> Ok, now move tot he trunk
<4> KoB: The cops don't really want to come up on someone who's laying down on the ground.
<4> Because you can't see what they're doing.
<0> The reason they like the trunk is its a good barrier for control and usually the cop lights are lit up on the trunk.
<2> Astrodog yeah that's why they never tell people to get face dow and put thier hands on the back of thie head right? ... wait... they do that all the time :P
<0> KoBushi sometimes they do
<0> both procedures are used.
<0> this was a hot pursuit right ?
<2> FreeTrade yeah
<0> No other crimes ?
<4> KoB: They do that, generally when they're having to deal with a larg-ish group, or if they're VERY close to the person.
<0> YOU lay down felons.
<2> dunno what other crimes, or why they were chasing them
<0> and you bring in backup
<0> and yuo dont even go near them until backup arrives
<0> then a bunch of you grab him lift him up and pat him down
<0> But its a police officers call.
<0> Usually in the inner city where a drug gang crime is involved they are very hard ***.
<2> from the video I saw, I can't see any justification for his actions. period
<0> Face in the pavement or Ill blow your head off.
<4> KoB: Thats why we need to wait until the investigation is done.
<0> KoBushi, but see videos are poor evidence.
<0> Any lawyer knows that
<4> If the guy had a gun, for example, there's not much else the cop could have done.
<0> Videos are great in the court of public opinion
<0> but every video lies
<0> Ive been to a lawyers seminar on this
<2> Astrodog the officer should have told him tos tay down in the first place.
<0> Videols show one perspective
<0> they dont capture everything
<0> My dad used to take me to a lot of seminars, it was fun.
<2> to stay*
<4> KoB: That's up to the arresting officer.
<0> One was a handwriting specialist who worked on the Patty hearst case.
<2> Astrodog which is why he is responsible for the shooting
<4> KoB: If the guy on the ground pulled a gun, its justified.
<0> Kobushi, what dont you understand about you are prejudging the situation before an official investigation has started.
<0> ?
<4> Because if the cop had, instead advanced with the guy on the ground, there's the distinct possibility the officer would have been shot.
<2> FreeTrade I understand that I'm doing that, I don't ive a **** about an official investigation into it
<0> I said to me it looked like murder by cop but I know I didnt see it all so I cant make that judgement yet..
<0> I only can say it LOOKED like.
<0> I cant say it was.
<2> FreeTrade for one, I don't trust the police to police themselves
<0> KoBushi, you should always care about the complete process of justice.
<4> KoB: You can be ***ured, the military will look into it, too.
<0> otherwise we would get the wrong guy all the time and let the bad guy go a lot of the time.
<0> Justice must be thorough meaning the whole scene has to be investigated.
<0> If hes guilty hang him
<6> hi boys
<0> Hi Girl
<4> Hi Gender-Neutral Asian Name
<2> Astrodog hum, well that's true, that's somewhat releiving; but if it were a citizen; they'd not have the military's investigative services looking into things.
<6> i seek ***y boys, i am chinese girl
<0> Yeah right
<7> ZunHuiTan, you are devoiced (Requested by SonOfSpam )
<0> I am japanese girl, pick another channel
<8> Seek them elsewhere love/hate jew boy
<4> Hahahaha.
<8> Christ that guy is annoying.
<0> hahaha
<4> SoS: Can you set the topic?
<0> SOS repeat offender ?
<8> ft... aye
<0> Ill **** list him
<8> He usually pretends to hate or love jews... then come back in later with a different nick and do the opposite.
<8> He's finally moved on to something new.
<4> SoS: Please tell me you can set the topic.... Heh.
<2> But, it also brings to light other frustrations of mine...
<8> Pretending to be a chinese girl seeking ***y boys.
<8> :P
<2> and that is Police officers are held to a LOWER standard of behavior, rather tan to a higher standard, by our justice system
<8> astro... sorry, no.
<4> SoS: Hrm.
<4> SoS: Please find a way to get "<0> I am japanese girl, pick another channel" that in the topic.
<4> :P
<0> Its a full ban I hope he doesnt have a dynamic ip
<0> or host
<4> KoB: The police are held to a differnt standard... but its kinda required.
<3> btcentral boy has returned I see
<0> haha
<4> They have to do more than citizens should be doing, to prevent crimes, and catch criminals.
<3> alas...btcentral is quite dynamic
<2> Astrodog therefor they should be less severely punished when they break the law?
<2> I don't think that's the case.
<0> KoBushi, there are only two possibilities here that I see likely.. He murdered the guy he pulled over or he didnt.
<0> And when they conclude officially he murdered them i will join you at the hanging post.
<4> KoB: In my experence, cops aren't punished less severely.
<0> UNtil its official I will not hang anyone
<2> Astrodog in my experiance, they are rarely punished at all.
<1> Astrodog, there are plenty of cases, like in say that case where a SWAT team raided the wrong house and killed a guy
<2> Astrodog but, that's all anecdotal
<1> no one got in any real trouble over that.
<2> it'd be hard to get stats on such a topic
<4> P_O: Well... you can't get pissed at the actual team in the house, there's no way for them to know.
<1> Astrodog, I'm not talking about them.
<1> I'm talking about who ****ed the address.
<2> Astrodog but, as an example of what goes on, one of my cousins was a State Trooper; she pulled over her boss for speeding and gave him a ticket, very shortly after she was laid off.
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