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<0> 8 Million Jobs in labor not filled.
<1> Mexico would be a good deal
<0> there are only 6 million unemployed in America.
<2> FreeTrade: hey, I'm not saying stop immigration...maybe we could allow more legal immigrants into the country than what our current quota is at right now...however, we cannot continue to have m*** invasions across the border, no matter how much businesses want cheap labor...fine, allow these people who have a job currently to be on a guest worker program
<0> And many of those are going through transition to new jobs.
<3> I think it's just too expensive to deport people. The way to do it is to control the flow
<1> Open Controlled immigration
<0> US Exactly
<2> but deport all of those not working...coming into America is a PRIVILEGE, NOT a right
<4> Legitimizing them isn't a good option either. It's unfair. The fact of the matter is that there is no "good" option for dealing with the 11 million settled illegals, but between the immoral option, the unacceptably dangerous option, and the unfair option, unfair wins by default.
<1> US_Male...yep
<3> also, we do need a certain number of workers
<3> unemployment is very low
<3> which means, we are depending on some of them
<1> US_Male..if we had Mexico...we would have them
<0> We have to control the broder to know who they are, We need it to satisfy the feears of ther public and their sense of outrage.
<0> so thats going to happen we know it.
<1> correct FT
<0> But what to do with the 12-14 million here ?
<1> I will not hold my breath
<0> We MUST ***imilate most of them.
<5> morning
<0> The criminals and gangbangers go back
<5> afternoon rather
<3> we should
<6> omg!
<4> Conservatives are supposed to live in the real world, but all this huffing and puffing about how they shouldn't be here in the first place isn't living in reality. They ARE living in America in the first place.
<4> So deal.
<3> the low unemployment figures indicate that our economy needs most of the workers who sneaked in
<0> The hard workers stay, You dont punish th epeople who hired them. THis is not the Soviet Union. WE CERTAINLY do not FELONIZE it.
<7> Pickle, what's the status on the guest worker thing?
<2> FreeTrade: they need registered...if they have legitimate jobs, give them a temporary work visa...if they don't have a job, then deport them immediately or give them a maximum of 6 months to find one
<3> but, yeah they should not be without any adjudication -- yes they broke the law, but we routinely give people probation for lesser crimes
<8> who said GM would not file for bankruptsy?
<2> FreeTrade: the whole point of the immigration bureaucracy is to keep track of the temporary immigrants while they are in the country
<0> I think there will be a comprehensive bill which incorporates both ideas because thats what the majority of americans want, House republicans are too goddam stupid to realize they are cutting their own throats.
<3> so, give them all a fine and a plea bargain
<9> haha
<0> They must be registered, Taxed, Identified, And we must know who and where they are.
<9> this is cool
<3> and kick out any who are criminals in other ways
<0> They must go on the legal system
<0> they must pay taxes and work above the table.
<9> anyone have a paper they want to have analyzed for complexity?
<9> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flesch-Kincaid
<0> My problem is not that I hire illegal aliens its that the supply of legal workers will shrink catastrophically if they were removed.
<4> Tailor: Far as I know Frist still intends to introduce the House bill as an alternative to the Senate Judiciary Committee bill. That bill will be fillibustered, and I doubt that the Judiciary bill will get enough votes to p***, and by the time we get to that point it'll be election time and that will be the end of the immigration reform debate.
<0> US, Fine them absolute, why ? A) they would be HAPPY to pay it for a green card, B) America would make a ton of money which could go to border control.
<9> all you guys talk about is politics!! why?!?
<9> oh wait, #politics
<9> ;)
<2> FreeTrade: the you cannot deny the fact that we cannot continue to take a huge influx of immigrants that we are doing now...it does not create economic stability but instability instead as it creates chaos...capitalist economies cannot function in chaotic environments for long because part of economic growth is both trust and semi-predictability
<0> Pickle, Some of them have been in america longer than P_O, channel membet
<2> the = though
<0> IN fact longer than a lot of young people on this channel.
<1> IamKing..not to mention the OTMs
<0> Timur this is the hottest political topic there is.
<2> OTMs?
<1> Other Than Mexicans
<2> other than mexican?
<2> heh...yes
<1> Like those Syrians they caught in Nogales...
<1> I doubt they wanted to go to Disneyland
<9> FT: no, the hottest political topic is something less important
<0> Iamking is always a extreme alarmist.. Hes 100% against abortion even if its rape or incest, Hes 100% for punishing the people who make america the most productive nation in the world. And his arguments defeat his view.
<9> let's see..
<0> Chaos would be sending them back
<9> nah, nm
<1> hehe
<4> Herzen: Did you hear the exciting news?
<0> that would put chaos into the economic system
<2> FreeTrade: you are yet full of **** and an alarmist yourself
<3> also, controlling the border will satisfy the problem of future numbers greater than what we want
<0> It would create instability and the economy would crash,
<10> Gunning-Fog Index: 20
<10> Ideally, web page text should be between 11 and 15 on this scale. The lower the score, the more readable the text. (Anything over 22 should be considered the equivalent of post-graduate level text).
<1> well its bitter medicine it will have to take...
<10> Pickle, no whats that?
<0> Ben Stein and Steve Forbes said, CRASH.. not hurt, CRASH
<1> the porous border we now have will not work
<4> Herzen: The city of Regina has been declared "Canada's Chlamydia Capital".
<3> it probably was labor demand that brought most here -- we just want to pick which ones get in
<2> FreeTrade: did I say send them back for those who had job? NO! learn how to ****ing read for once
<10> Wonderful!
<3> and then, control it from now on
<1> Herzen will now use Tanque brand condoms...
<1> with ablative STD armor
<2> CryHavoc: hahahah
<1> ;) Herzen
<4> I think it's appropriate that the Chlamydia Capital rhymes with "vagina".
<2> Pickle: true that
<0> Iamking, Then I owe you an apology, Public, and I am sorry.
<1> Reh Gee Nah
<2> FreeTrade: accepted :)
<3> I think eveyone is saying the same thing from a slightly diferent perspective
<0> Thanks.
<1> or reh ghee nah
<4> CryHavoc: Ree Geye Nah.
<1> We say reh G na
<9> ok, well, as someone who wants to get laid tonight, I gotta go.. so, cya!
<0> SO it seems most of us agree on some sort of workers plan, and tightening the border.
<1> Euros say reh - gee nah
<2> FreeTrade: yes, I've always been for a guest worker program
<4> Well that ain't how the city name is pronounced.
<4> Don't ask me why.
<3> I believe that it the inevtitalbe "best available scenario"
<0> When I hear about people who live on the border who have 100s coming through their land every day, that bothers me.. I feel for those people and I think they deserve protection for their land and its the Feds responsibility.
<1> A hrny stud out of regina......was searching for cherry vagina...
<3> inevitable, even
<2> the problem with the baby boomers is that those ****tards didn't reproduce...in some sense that might be good but not in the economic sense...this is why we're going to have problems with Social Security and Medicare in the future
<0> But another benefit of legalizing those here is that they wouldnt be sneaking back and forth anymore.
<11> IamKing yep
<1> no...then another group of illegals arrive...
<0> they would walk across and show their green card, and walk back and show their green card on the border station not someones ranch.
<1> IamKing...too much brown LSD :P
<1> o well...bbl :)
<2> so we do absolutely NEED immigrants now...but just letting them come in en m***e with no control over the flow is dangerous to the economy...since no one is going to get rid of Medicaid (and welfare in general), many of these people will be taxing those systems
<3> IamKing: true, and in a strange twist of fate, taxes from a worker program can help alleviate that
<2> hopefully...and yes, they need to pay taxes if they want to work her legitimately
<4> IamKing: You don't have to get rid of welfare to deny guest workers access to it, and I think that's a realisitic policy point.
<2> I'm not sure I agree with the bureaucracy capping a limit on legal immigration at 500K people per year
<3> now I don't mean to say it's a justification for opening the border totally -- but that once controlled, it could benefit everyone
<2> Pickle: depends on what welfare program you are referring too
<12> if you believe that all people are born with the god given right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and if you believe that america has the most liberty and allows people to puruse their happiness better than any country in the world, then you believe that all people are born with the god given right to live in america
<13> ... April Fool's Day originated in France... why am i not surprised?
<10> Pickle, Regina is a hole.
<4> IamKing: The only benefits there would probably be a battle to deny guest workers access to are school for the kids and medicare. I doubt there would be much argument that guest workers deserve any other social services.
<7> abum, problem there is America can't absorb the world's population, and America's taxpayers can't support them.
<3> abum: I don't believe in god much
<3> there goes that argument
<2> Pickle: illegal immigrants only get Medicaid in emergency situations (such as a major accident where they need to be an inpatient for acute care)...we cannot unfortunately deny them access to Medicaid for that time frame because that will just bankrupt that person
<4> Herzen: True; sadly it's my hole of birth so I'm tied to it in many ways.
<10> Pickle, just gotta convince the woman to move to Alberta
<3> also, I don't neessarily believe we have the most liberty
<3> we try to attain it
<10> US-Male, I think its fine that we don't have the most liberty
<3> I don't know if we have the most liberty in the world
<2> and it is all about numbers...and we have too many right now coming across...it wouldn't be so much of a problem if it were only 1 or 2 million across the nation...but we have 11 million coming across
<4> Herzen: Never happen as long as she's got a good job here. That's why I'm hoping the NDP get the boot, which would mean she gets fired as she works for the Ag Minister.
<3> Herzen, wel there is some balance
<0> US_Male, What country has more liberty than ours ? (Except when republican house members have lost their noodle)
<14> Abusive Domain or User
<3> my liberty should end where your begins, for example
<3> FT: well depends on what we call liberty
<0> US_male, you are describing liberty, otherwise its Anarchy
<10> US-Male, i mean would u really want to live in a country that afforded everyone the liberty to do Meth if they wanted?
<0> To abuse someone elses liberty is anarchy not liberty
<3> a state of total anarchy would be a lot of "liberty" in a way
<3> BUT my liberty should end where your begins, for example
<0> Hence, the old saying by Bill Buckley, Your liberty ends where your hand meets my face.
<3> that is a restriction on my liberty, for teh sake of your liberty
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