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<0> So why is the People's Republic of China scared of invading Taiwan?
<1> 6.3 The "RIGHT" of the Citizen to travel upon the public roadways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a "COMMON RIGHT" which he has under the "RIGHT" to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. See: Thompson v. Smith, supra.
<0> Well?
<2> because we by treaty have an obligation to defend Taiwan
<2> the USA has a One China policy, but we have by law an obligation to defend Taiwan
<2> answer your question?
<3> invading taiwan would a) ruine a great deal of taiwans economy b) the us is going to defend taiwan c) the reaction would spark total instability in the whole east asian region
<1> As the Supreme Court notes in Saenz v Roe, 98-97 (1999), the Constitution does not contain the word "travel" in any context, let alone an explicit right to travel. The presumed right to travel, however, is firmly established in U.S. law and precedent. In U.S. v Guest, 383 U.S. 745 (1966), the Court noted, "It is a right that has been firmly established and repeatedly recognized."
<1> er
<0> And what if anything is keeping the USA and South Korea (with possible help from NATO) from invading North Korea and unifying North and South Korea?
<1> In fact, in Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969), Justice Stewart noted in a concurring opinion that "it is a right broadly ***ertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of ***ociation, ... it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all."
<2> Alkaiser, mostly?
<2> China=)
<2> Alkaiser personally I say we trade them Taiwan for North Korea
<2> =)
<0> So China wants Taiwan but fear American intervention, and America wants North Korea but fears Chinese intervention?
<2> we give them taiwan, they help us unify north korea
<0> I say they make a deal.
<4> that's a ****y deal.
<5> How about
<5> China helps USA with North Korea
<3> realize what devastating impact for the south korean economy it would be to unify woth the north over night
<5> or USA rerecognizes Taiwan and signs a strong defense pact with them
<1> http://www.ibike.org/cuba/ofac/law.htm think that covers them all
<5> and starts shipping them real weapons
<2> i say we just pre-emptively nuke Taiwan
<4> HerZ: better
<5> RustyFord, Thats stupid
<2> make it so China doesn't want the place because its completely worthless
<5> China will still want the place
<5> its a cultural thing
<2> hahah probably
<4> cultural, historical
<2> it'd probably build freakin prisons on it
<3> i can't stant the "nuke everything and everybody" arguments in this channel anymore........
<3> *d
<4> tRr: yeah, it's totally silly
<1> "The right to travel is a part of the `liberty' of which the citizen cannot be deprived without due process of law under the Fifth Amendment. . . . Freedom of movement across frontiers in either direction, and inside frontiers as well, was a part of our heritage. Travel abroad, like travel within the country, . . . may be as close to the heart of the individual as the choice of what he eats, or wears, or reads. Freedom of movement is basic in our scheme of values.
<2> I love it
<2> just nuke em
<2> Ka-Boom!
<2> seriously you put a few mushroom clouds over a few of these bastards cities, they will stop acting like morons
<4> ok, well, I guess if the purpose of irc is just to have childlike tantrums..
<6> isn't it?
<2> i mean if you aren't going to use nuclear weapons, whats the ****ing sense in having them?
<6> i can't figure out what else they'd be but wasting time, i can't believe how many people have been on here for years!
<2> wasting all of this money on keeping them up to date
<0> I don't think the PRC want to invade Taiwan necessarily for their economy.
<0> They just want the feeling of unification.
<7> Otay.
<3> RustyFord: have you ever heard the term "deterance"?
<2> debrie then what are you doing here then?
<6> i love military spending or in-built obselescence, or both
<5> my view on China
<5> err
<6> touche!
<5> Taiwan
<5> is a 'don't rock the boat' policy
<5> which means I agree with KMT, not DPP
<2> ohh screw them
<2> I say we rock China's gunwales
<5> Basically, They have it good, they have capitalism, democracy and freedom, the only thing they don't have is recognition as a soverign state by some silly organizations, UN etc
<2> start bailing water INTO the boat
<5> so why rock the boat and maybe lose a good thing by declaring independant?
<8> who?
<5> Taiwan
<2> because i am sick of taking a policy of appeasement with China
<2> tell them to **** or get off the pot already
<7> Otay.
<2> i am sick of playing with China and the idea of "don't rock the boat" how about they stop rocking the boat ?
<5> Taiwan should, in my opinion: Acknowledge there is one China, continue to state that their govt is the sole legitimate government of that one China, do not declare independance (That would just piss off the Communists into attacking), continue to build military forces, and continue to prosper from freedom and capitalism
<2> i mean they are the ones who are pointing missiles at Taiwan
<2> but somehow its OUR fault
<5> You aren't ****ing Taiwanese
<8> you're pointing missiles at the world.
<5> So how is it YOUR fault?
<2> we have helped Taiwan for years and years
<0> would it be the end of the world if the USA just allowed Taiwan to fall to a chinese invasion?
<5> USA should have continued to help China
<7> ASIO: That's a brilliant observation. Really.
<2> why should we have continued to help China?
<5> Carter's recognition of PRC over ROC was one of the biggest mistakes of his administration
<5> err, Taiwan
<5> not China
<1> "The claim and exercise of a Constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime." Miller v. U.S.
<2> having carter as president period was a BIG mistake
<2> stupid 2 bit piece of **** peanut farmer
<7> Peanuts are a valuable source of protein.
<5> so is meat.
<7> Yes.
<7> Mmm. Meat.
<9> hats made of meat
<5> I eat peanuts like once a year
<8> so, which country is america using the wto to open up and exploit today?
<5> lol
<9> ASIO: australia
<5> I love .au
<2> figures
<2> another dumb *** australian
<5> people from .au are always so crazy and backwards
<5> DAMN THE EVIL IMPERIALIST AMERICANS AND THEIR WTO EXPLOITION OF THE WORKING CL***SS
<2> yeh, thats it, i am putting all of .au on ignore
<5> *deep breath*
<8> i'm not the one quoting george bush speeches
<8> "and continue to prosper from freedom and capitalism"
<5> THE CAPITALIST PIG BOURGEOIS EXPLOITS THE PROLETARIAT SO WE MUST RIIIIISE UP AGAINST HIM AND DESTROY HIM AND HIS EVIL EXPLOITING WTO
<2> george Bush has more honor is the tip of his penis than the vast majority of the population of Australia
<7> Herzen: You read his mind.
<8> were you following a teleprompt?
<5> ASIO, Taiwan does prosper from that
<8> of course they do.
<7> CAPITALIST RUNNING DOGS!
<8> i'm not an anti-capitalist
<0> I think Taiwan, Pescadores, Quemoy, and Matsu should all become a special administrative region like Hong Kong and Macau, that way they can do whatever the hell they want while the PRC takes care of diplomatic relations and national defence.
<8> i just like watching americans talk about politics, they're cute :))
<5> his pink smiley is cute
<5> ...
<7> Man. That was cute.
<1> Herzen um ok?
<3> we live in times of increasing protectionism
<5> Protectionism kind of ****s
<3> not especially usa & wto
<1> where do we sign up?!
<5> bmc, Get a job
<0> Actually, I think the PRC offered Taiwan to become a special administrative region just like Hong Kong and Macau, they declined the offer.
<2> CANCUN, Mexico (AP) - President Bush offered ***istance Friday to earthquake victims in Iran, saying the United States cares about the suffering of the Iranian people even though there are major differences with Tehran about its nuclear program.
<1> we do need some protections
<2> President Bush is a great humanitarian
<3> it's more a north vs south, respectivley center vs periphery thing
<1> we cant compete with nations who dont recognize human rights, and utilize child labor, unfair trade practices
<0> why havn't sanctions been imposed on iran yet?
<1> got to level the playing field
<2> ``We, obviously, have our differences with the Iranian government, but we do care about the suffering of Iranian people,'' Bush said at a news conference with the leaders of Mexico and Canada.
<7> Why? Oh. The UN.
<3> bmc recognize human rights lol
<7> Whacking off at the UN still, you know. It could take decades.
<3> you do that?
<1> hush
<1> yes
<1> we have workers rights
<1> a minimum wage
<1> safety requirements
<1> labor laws
<3> yeah especially for 11 million illegal immigrants
<3> :))
<1> theyre breaking the law
<3> lol
<7> Now. Those are our cute little sausages. We love them all.
<1> what do you think would happen were it left up to the population to handle it?
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