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<0> that test fire by iran of a radar defeating missile is worrying
<1> Swigert: And what proof do you have that those planes caused devastating, widespread fires that made two skyscrapers pancake down at near freefall speed ?
<2> swiggy -- you will only be happy if you find another neatness freak and in todays world -- ehh
<1> For the first time in history ?
<1> Not much. What you SAW means little to nothing.
<2> icmp -- they didn't "freefall" they did pancake --
<3> In WI also, if someone breaks into you house it is technically illegal to shoot them....if you could flee
<1> Kaliuna: They collapsed at near freefall speed, eh?
<4> Nemes: does that not essentially make the arrow missile useless?
<1> WTC7, did, at least..
<5> lots of independent engr studies were done on the collapse. If you don't believe them, then you might as well believe the moon is made of cheese.
<2> no icmps they didn't
<6> kali: I met a great young woman once - as soon as I said neatfreak, she said marry me - sadly it didn't work
<7> "A few years after his presidency ended, while fishing.. Ulysses S. Grant discovered to his dismeay he was fishing out of season. He immediatley turned hismelf int to the nearest justice of hte peace, who was reluctant to apply the law to such an august offender. Grant wasn't one to cop a please, however, and insisted on paying teh full fine for his transgression
<3> So, if there's a way you could leave your house....thats what you must do
<7> I've seen several buildings demolished in real life.. they take months of work to prepare, and they fall nothing like the WTC
<5> they found human remains on another building yesterday, from 9/11. Or was it the day before?
<2> quite correct Lupine --
<7> hans: read that earlier in teh week
<0> ebbtepid, possibly yeah - just depends on how good irans word is about this new missile they test fired, i mean we dont know what sort of radar they tested it against.
<3> So if I hear someone coming through the front door....I'm supposed to leave out the back door. If forensics determine that I could have fled, I will be guilty of manslaughter
<8> the leaning tower of pisa fell over about 10 minutes ago
<7> Nemes: althought, we know that under the clinton administration, they sold the chinese some very sensitive stealth technology
<4> An Israeli missile expert quoted by Reuters expressed skepticism, however, saying Iran "could be bluffing."
<9> I love Pizza
<5> cheese filled crust?
<5> :P
<6> icmps: it's okay to be suspicious of the government, but this is just plain wacky.
<8> april fools day is tommorrow I am just warming up
<2> Vemo - not too likely they would come through afront door - back door, window
<3> They are thinking of p***ing this "standing" law or whatever finally....where you have the right to be anywhere and protect youself
<4> The expert, Uzi Rubin, a former director of the Arrow missile defense program, said if it was true that Iran had such rockets, there was no way it could have produced them without outside help.
<3> kaliuna: Then I'm supposed to flee out the front
<6> If Gore had been elected instead of Bush, none of these 'conspiracy theories' would have emerged.
<2> Vemo - heck no - grab you gun and shoot the intruder!
<7> Vemo: yea, they love to cast it as "make my day" law.. but in reality, it is merely "The defense of the right to self defense"
<3> kaliuna: I don't think they'd except a window
<9> bwhahaha
<9> LIBERTY, Missouri (AP) -- A youth minister was charged with ***ault for allegedly knocking down a 16-year-old boy and kicking him in the groin after taking a head shot from the teen in a dodgeball game
<1> Swigert: Maybe the towers wouldn't have collapsed ..
<3> expect a window
<5> wow, that guy has some hutspah :P
<6> icmps: oh dear
<7> if eco-terrorists had not forced the ban of asbestos for fireproofing insuation.. maybe the towers wouldn't have collapsed
<5> wow, almost 75 tommorrow. I"m gonna scare the tourists and wear my thong around times square.
<2> Lupine - well if it had been built differently -- might have fallen differently... there was no real support in the center area
<5> asbestos was used in the twin towers
<5> and it wasn't eco terrorists. It was the US govt that banned the use of the materials :)
<1> Heh.
<6> if the towers hadn't collapsed, they were so badly damaged that they would have been torn down. Even so, 1000 people were dead.
<7> hans: only to a certain height.. like only 1/3 of it
<2> swiggy 3000 all told
<1> Swigert: Um.
<5> Lupine: blast would have blown it off the trusses. Wasn't a factor at all.
<2> +/-
<3> Its more strict here...the reason (I think) is because so many people have guns in their homes
<3> Wisconsin = hunting
<1> Swigert: The towers werent "badly damaged" .. only surrounding the crashes (as far as we know)
<7> hans: naw, they said that it would have done quite well for that.. as it was wrapped on.. as opposed to just spray on foam
<10> hahah
<10> the leaning tower fell ?
<10> oh man
<10> haha
<10> good april fools material
<10> awesome
<7> icmps: oh hell ya it was "badly damaged". jesus, what do you call what happened? "just a flesh wound"?
<1> lol did it
<10> i cant wait till tomorrow
<6> kali: if the towers had stood, and the firefighters able to evacuate the people trapped on top of each tower,
<10> i'm mailing my co-workers that one
<1> Lupine: Um. The damage was mostly localized to the vicinity of the crashes .. the fires werent widespread and relative to the immense size of the towers, neither was the damage.
<10> the leaning tower of piza falling
<1> Not so much to necessitate being 'torn down'
<2> Swiggy -- IF - lot of IFs in this world
<7> swig: according to my friend who was near the top.. barely made it out. he said most of the people who didn't get out, were already dead
<7> icmp: please p*** what you are smoking, as what I saw was rather um, serious
<1> I never said it wasnt.
<1> I said it wasnt so much to require demolition if it hadnt collapsed.
<5> actually asbestos was used to floor 64 in WTC1
<1> It wasn't irrepairable ..
<5> didn't know that
<8> if the planes had of hit the twin towers an hour or two later, there would have been twice the casualities.
<11> wtc was made of mud
<9> If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle
<12> heh
<6> lupine: yeah I know - but on tower 2 one stairwell was intact and 18 people managed to escape alive.
<10> building 7 is pretty suspect in the whole collapse thing, but at anyrate planes did crash into the WTC complex, and the pentagon, and they were piloted by terrorists
<3> I think they should let the piza fall...put a big-monument-holding-net where its gonna fall and let if fall. Then they can put it back up, or transport it to a museum
<6> all those poor people who jumped
<9> Swigert; 18 people above where the airplanes hit?
<2> swiggy -- cause the stairwell was on outside.. and supported
<5> more would had made it Swiggy, but they mistakenly thought it was safer to go to the roof. Doors were locked.
<10> whether there was foreknowledge of the attack... debatable, with cheney in command of norad and all the other 'training' scenerios going on that day
<11> base jumping parachutes should be required in tall buildings
<7> mud: yea, and extensive training to go with that?
<6> surlly: yeah
<11> sure
<1> caspase-9: How do you know who piloted any of the planes?
<5> eh, I know a MTA worker, poor guy is still in therapy over the stuff he saw that day.
<6> mudhut: who is to say that this will happen again?
<11> i slept thru the whole thing...hahahahahaha
<10> icmps: how do you know who didn't pilot the planes ?
<9> Swigert: I thought the 911 commison report stated no one above the floors wehre the airplanes struck escaped
<6> hans: true
<5> only in wtc 1 surlly
<6> surlly: only in tower 2 - and just a handful. most went up.
<5> all stairs were blocked by the drywall/bent doorframes
<1> caspase-9: Uh. You ***erted that somehow it is a fact that the planes were piloted by terrorists when it is not a fact.
<6> I still remember seeing a couple hold hands as they jumped from the top of Tower 2 - the observation deck
<11> ok, i admit it...i pulled the wtc..
<7> yea, WTC was the the plane hit angled.. and the far corner still had one stairway
<10> icmps: do you think a missile was used ? do you think the planes were remotely controlled ? do you think someone else was piloting the planes ?
<12> hahaha
<6> mudhut: why? who put you up to it?
<10> mudhut: hahaha
<12> icmps: can you show otherwise ?
<1> caspase-9: We're supposed to believe we found their ****ing p***port unscathed at the bottom of the WTC but cant find a reinforced black box?
<11> i made a bet for a dollar
<7> icmps: yea, it was really the regular airline pilots who flew it.. it was just "coincidence" that 19 terrorists who had the exact same plan happened to be on those exact same airplanes.. but didn't do anything
<6> mudhut: with who? Bush? Cheney? Hitler?
<10> icmps: stranger things have happenned
<13> night
<11> lol
<13> http://www.ritsumei.ac.jp/~akitaoka/index-e.html
<1> caspase-9: I'd say.
<2> icmps oh they did find the boxes
<5> wtc7 is rebuilt. but it's puny.
<1> Kaliuna: Oh ?
<5> compared to what was there
<1> Kaliuna: That's not the official story.
<10> we might be inclided to believe that there is a body of evidence showing those particular men practicing or otherwise prepping for their alledged actions - which would make the allegations more believable
<5> yah that's news to me, they found the black boxes
<2> icmps - its been posted on net for some time - long time back -- dunno if I still have URL on it or not
<6> these conspiracy theories are lame hoaxes that disrespect those who died.
<12> I still have not seen the site.... I've been in the city many times since but I didn't want to look when it was still smoldering
<1> Kaliuna: uh?
<1> whats been posted
<9> Swigert: True
<5> fire didn't go out till about Christmas
<2> icmps -- that they were found - was all I read - one badly damaged -
<12> I remember
<7> casL ah, but that was all coincidence!.. the terrorists just sat in their seats.. as the pilots decided to do the _exact same thing_ all on their own!
<5> I drove by there, and the smell made me almost vomit. It was very chemical smelling.
<12> then, people still had signs up on the subways looking for relatives for a year afterwards
<12> relatives you knew were dead long ago
<12> they stil had a sign up with pictures
<9> I knew a guy who was on the flight that went down in PA
<1> Kaliuna: I think initially the FBI said they didnt find them .. then that they did, but they were damaged. I think that's bull****.
<14> thousand of errors in iraq
<14> thousands
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