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<0> I can't get motivated this weekend
<1> gunna try and get razuvious tonight
<2> Anyone read "More OpenGL Game Programming"?
<2> Or does anyone here bother to still read the new GL books for reviewing purposes?
<3> I just have the red book and the orange book :P
<3> as OpenGL specific books. I do have many graphics books
<2> Yeah. I read just about everything that gets published..
<2> or at least I sample it
<2> by the major printers
<2> Course PTR, Addison Wesley, Charles River, Morgan Kauffman...
<2> etc
<2> ect
<2> whichever.
<3> in my case I like to pick my books, I read reviews and stuff before I buy a book
<3> the only ones I didn't read reviews at the time were the Graphics Gems series
<3> even though I spent a good amount of money on the whole series
<3> great investment
<2> ...
<2> yeah
<2> you just hear enough word of mouth about them...
<2> though I wouldn't buy them at this point
<2> too much of it is freely avail. on the net now, or "simple" in light of things
<0> There's a helicopter circling my apartment with a spotlight
<4> sounds comforting
<5> uh oh - they found out about yor bittorrents dude ;)
<0> yeah :P I'm waiting for tear gas to come flying through the window or something
<5> see, thats what happens when the RIAA gets involved ;)
<0> :)
<0> I got so bored today I started reading about UFOs hehe
<6> They traced your IP! Run!
<0> it's so popular to stigmatize it for the hicks, but there's some pretty interesting footage out there
<0> hehe
<0> I better wipe the drives and go hide :P
<6> As long as you don't give these things more credibility than you would give to santas claus or the bible, I suppose it's fine
<0> see that doesn't even make sense.
<0> people should just take their drives with them
<0> Mal, I don't really agree with that.
<4> since the probability for intelligence in the universe is about 1, no matter how pessimistic you are (unless you are religious, and define the probability to be 0), UFO should be as probable as the possibility for intergalactic space-travel I guess
<6> Yes... Santas Claus is not as unlikely as the two other theories
<0> It would be very naive to think there's no other intelligence in the universe.
<4> it would be downright stupid
<6> Sure Ast, but let's not fantasize about aliens being around ; rational observation does not support the theory
<0> And especially to think that we're the highest intelligence.
<4> since we know intelligent life exists on earth (kinda)
<4> Maloeran: if any race was able to come here, I dont think we'd even recognize it
<4> they would most likely be millions, maybe even billions of years ahead of us
<0> exactly
<6> ***uming something came, it would be seen if it wanted to
<0> what if it is?
<0> so many people share your mentality
<0> that if they see something skeptical they think of other possible (more likely) explainations.
<0> not to mention the potential to cover up the information seems quite trivial
<6> Return0, they would not be seen as flying saucers flying above distant woods recorded on poor cameras
<6> It's just too incoherent, too unlikely
<6> Besides, most people need to believe in all kinds of things, and others want to exploit this for various unethical reasons
<0> I don't have anything to gain to convince you of the feasability, I remain skeptic, but I'll accept fairly abundant infomation unless I have a good reason to dismiss it.
<4> a lot of the astronauts, and space exploration personnel became convinced of alien visitation during their work
<4> most if not all of the astronauts claim to have seen UFO's
<4> lots and lots of high ranking military personnel say they've seen flying crafts that cant be from earth
<6> Optical artifacts are not very good indications. Humans aren't quite used to the outer space environment, let's not jump to unlikely conclusions without robust and reliable observation
<4> these guys arent fooled by optics
<4> get real
<4> they've studied them with telescopes
<6> "Them"? :)
<4> the objects
<6> And what were these objects? Observation ballons, satellites, various lighting effects in the upper atmosphere?
<4> all kinds of stuff I guess
<4> http://youtube.com/watch?v=HY0K240Hquw
<6> Without robust observation, with the scientific definition of the term, these theories remain very unlikely for many other reasons related to the human psyche
<6> Can't watch youtube here
<5> Maloeran: please do NOT forget the cl***ic "thrown up tin foil"
<0> Maloeran, what about google video?
<0> there's TONS of stuff on there about orbs of sorts
<6> UFOs are our modern sea monsters, some people just need to believe in these things
<4> UFO's has been around for ever
<4> they're nothing new
<0> I'll accept that explaination. I don't really care what you call it. I'm not going to go all fanboy and start a cult, but I find it fairly fascinating, and I think it's worth at least the very real consideration and research despite how unlikely the possibility.
<4> the issue has been taken extremely seriously by USA, Russia, GB and other nations
<6> For security reasons, when there seems to be unidentified objects flying around, a nation sure might want to know more. Most likely, the "objects" were either benign or did not exist
<4> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Sign http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Bluebook
<4> the conclusions they reached was that the phenomenon was real
<4> and they initiated m***ive coverups of some events
<6> Are we sure it was not only to sell their book? :)
<0> Maloeran where do you live?
<6> Montreal
<6> Ultimately, Project Blue Book stated that UFOs sightings were generated as a result of:
<6> * A mild form of m*** hysteria. * Individuals who fabricate such reports to perpetrate a hoax or seek publicity. * Psychopathological persons. * Misidentification of various conventional objects.
<6> Well, I agree with their conclusion :)
<4> Maloeran: I've seen a video where the director of Project Blue Book says their main job at the end of the project was ridiculing believers and covering up UFO- events
<4> they had lots of proof
<4> but they just followed orders
<6> I'm saying the theory is very unlikely, not rejecting it entirely. Unlike some theories ( as god theories ), it isn't incompatible with our observation, but there's very little observation that leads specifically to extra-terrastrial conclusions
<4> though I've seen a lot of convincing clips, and witness statements
<0> I found this kind of interesting: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7310660742580339958
<0> but it's long
<5> Ast: did u see the one of the polish geologists digging up the UFO in siberia?
<5> What impresses me the most is the website that goes along with it
<6> Human witnesses are poor references, their observation and memories are modified just by trying to remember the facts... and unconsciously accepting an explanation. Reliable scientific equipment makes better witnesses
<5> Maloeran: http://arkadysimkin.pl/index_eng.html
<4> Return0: yes, that ones not too bad, have you seen the disclosure project video?
<0> I'm not too sure.
<4> its on video.google
<5> the video is quite good
<5> worth watching
<0> ok, :)
<5> whoa, Ast.. did it catch you that at the end of that video, it's actuall a giant ship encased in ice?
<5> i thought it was just part of the scenary, but it isn't
<0> it could be ruins
<0> or fake
<0> but it IS interesting
<5> I dunno - how fake can it be.. these guys are oil geologists, not hollywood
<5> taken when they were looking for oil deposits
<0> True.
<0> It's like I said, very interesting :P
<5> Sorry Mal, hard to put this one i the tin foil UFO department bud
<0> I don't know that it's anything to do with UFOs or just ancient ruins, but either way it's neat :P
<5> very very neat
<5> any1 have any thoughts/knowledge of the Radeon Xpress 200M
<7> guys what makes you think arkasy simkin even exists?
<7> arkady
<8> 200m chip, better than the intel cpu's and avail as the basic gpu for most laptops...
<8> around a ati 8500/9200 in dx9/opengl caps
<5> ugh
<5> that all
<8> good for the office worker:)
<5> atm, it's a competition between http://h50025.www5.hp.com/hpcom/nz_en/11_29_64_4889_EX074PA.html and http://www.dove.co.nz/products/acer/Notebooks/NC207.htm
<5> And I have to be able to use AutoCad on it - but this is all ca affod in my budget atm
<5> will be upgrading the memory to 1gig on whichever machine i choose though
<5> Whats the caps on the Intel 910GML do you know?
<5> I'ev not seen D3D or GL mentioned in anything I have read
<8> err it's a 8500/920 is a dx8 card
<8> err a 8500/920 is a dx8 card
<5> http://www.ati.com/products/radeonxpress200m/specs.html shows this as DX9 atleast
<8> sorry dunno on intel
<5> the search continues... I think it would have been easier to find Spock ;)
<8> i bought a friend a 200m chip lappy for a friend last year
<8> just barely good enough to play a battlefield 2
<5> oh thats not too bad though
<5> BF2 is pretty meaty for a laptop
<5> what processor did that lappy have?
<8> amd 2500-3000+ i think
<5> semptron or athlon build?
<8> i wish i could remember
<8> trying to find it on the site
<8> i'm guessing it was the 1.8 mhz (3000 rated) athlon
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