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<0> nah
<0> if there was a bsd/os i'd ask there
<0> why do nerds have to be so oppositional and nit picky
<0> damn
<1> heh
<2> it might have helped if you had started off by saying "i know this isn't the place, but there isn't a BSD/OS channel"
<1> because how BSD/OS handles disks is (maybe) different than how OpenBSD handles them
<2> rather than being arrogant about it
<2> anyway, try wd0c
<0> i have a theo tattoo
<0> ok will u help me now?
<1> the likely answer is in /dev/rwd0c, the first 63 sectors or so.
<0> thanks
<1> but, it's been about 7 years since i've looked at a BSD/OS system
<1> they even around anymore?
<0> yeah tis is a medical system
<0> dicom print interface box
<1> heh
<1> i hated BSD/OS, every time I used it I cursed it wasn't some other kind of BSD
<1> even NetBSD would've been better
<2> heh
<3> First time i find a referance to BSD/OS.. What's the 'thing' about it?
<3> Sounds "old"..
<3> Sounds like it was made midtime at ibm as os2/warp.
<1> predates it
<1> BSD/OS is a commercial BSD on i386. the company that ran with it initially had licensed the AT&T UNIX code
<3> Oh.. no wonder why it's out of the loop for me then..:p
<1> BSD/OS is not a UNIX clone
<1> it really is UNIX
<3> I see. Thanks for the 'recap' :)
<2> was :-)
<1> anyhow, i don't remember who bought who, but BSD/OS was eventually owned and run with Walnut Creek CDROM (FreeBSD)
<1> yeah, was
<1> then Walnut Creek was baught by WR (??), some embedded OS company
<1> windriver is what i want to say
<1> not 100% sure of that
<1> anyhow, that was the death of BSD/OS, and at the same time, the stab to the heart of a bunch of FreeBSDs funding before the 5.x release
<1> half the team bought out by WR left, they're now working for Apple
<1> and now, you know more about this crap than you wanted. Oh the drama of living in the Valley
<3> Man, u've been around.. ;)
<1> far far too long
<3> hehe, i thought i was old with my start at '95..
<1> i just live in the bay area
<1> and have been doing stupid unix tricks since 89 or so.
<1> hell, my first shell was on an AT&T unix system
<1> second one on a SunOS 4.1.3
<3> hehe, u're about to predate sendmail then?
<4> predate sendmail?
<4> MMDF?
<4> i was hoping i'd forgot though :-p
<1> knofte: no way i could. sendmail predates me by a good 20 yaers
<1> i think
<1> i predate sendmail, inc, tho
<5> ah heh.. is this a "just ask" type-o-place?
<6> as long as youve gone through the basics first (faq, man, google) :)
<6> then fire away
<5> hmm, just looking for thoughts regarding snort/mysql on obsd. Just as simple as installing mysql/snort-2.4.5p0-mysql.tgz binaries?
<5> ignoring conf etc of course
<7> has anyone had any major issues with the current (last nights) -snapshot?
<5> can't say i've tried Lucypher
<7> I was just wondering if there was anything that was important enough for someone to shoult 'wait till next snapshot' or so
<5> ahh..p***
<7> I'm under the impression that since there is a freeze late oct/april that shortly after then it's better to use release as all new development is committed and then after that whatever is broken is fixed, followed by new stuff added which generally 'works'.
<1> Lucypher: there's an ipv6 fix in the latest snapshot
<8> Getting a little flustered with open 3.9 and perl... can anyone lend some insight into getting things set up correctly for my CGIs?
<3> questions about copyrights of the artwork etc.. should that be mailed to deraadt@ or to.. i.e artwork@ ?
<3> Can't really seem to find an address for it at the page.
<9> http://www.openbsd.org/art1.html
<3> u know.. that didnt quite answer..
<9> "Most images provided here are copyright by OpenBSD, by Theo de Raadt, or by other members or developers of the OpenBSD group."
<9> there are threads on misc@ regarding copyright of artwork as well
<10> if i recall correctly you can spread the artwork anywhere you want but you need permission to sell it or to use it with commercial products
<3> lt_kije: well.. the question was where to direct questions. I read the page, it doesnt answer my question :)
<9> knofte: no, it does
<9> contact deraadt or a specific developer
<3> mxpx-: Precisly.. and my 2nd question would be to whomever is the answer of q1, regarding allowance/permittance to be able to sell them.
<9> (if you know that that developer has copyrighted a work)
<3> lt_kije: still.. "should that be mailed to deraadt@ or to i.e. artwork@?" <- It's not the person himself im looking for.. more like if there's a specific mailadress for it, as there is for i.e. www@ :)
<3> But i guess no then. So emailed theo directly.
<1> i feel dumb.
<1> why is it I can't find the spot where $MAIL is set by default?
<9> what shell?
<1> bash
<9> you've read bash(1)?
<9> i don't have it on my system...
<1> i'm wanting to make sure it's not going to override login.conf
<1> i shouldn't. but, old habits die hard
<9> hu?
<1> bash. shouldn't be using it
<9> no, you shouldn't
<9> but that's your choice
<9> what's that about login.conf, though?
<1> oh, you can set environment variables for all users in it
<1> :setenv=MAIL blah blah blah:
<1> etc
<1> anyhow, it sets some environment variables by default
<1> of course, it's being overridden from somewhere
<9> bashrc?
<9> profile?
<1> checked, and checked
<9> grep MAIL ~/.*
<1> checked :)
<9> bash(1)?
<1> sets it from the login environment
<9> do you have the same problem with eg ksh?
<1> it's not set at all in ksh
<1> so, no
<1> not really
<2> are you actually logging in?
<9> even with whatever you have in /etc/login.conf?
<9> ooh
<9> that, too
<1> NicM: yes
<1> via login
<2> okay
<1> also, ran cap_mkdb
<2> what about /etc/bash*?
<2> cap_mkdb is not normally necessary unless you've run it before
<2> are you sure you're in the login cl***?
<1> the login cl*** is 'default'
<2> hmm
<11> bash on obsd doesn't set MAIL, login.conf on fbsd does, for instance
<1> yes
<1> i've got setenv=MAIL=~/Mail/:\ in the login.conf
<11> so what is the question again? :)
<1> which, according to login.conf(5) should be p***ed to the user environment on login
<1> i found that bash is setting the MAIL environment
<1> so, it's getting set somewhere
<11> if login sets the env and bash inherits it, how does that imply bash setting it?
<1> login isn't setting it
<1> for some odd reason
<11> you have MAIL= in login.conf and see a MAIL env in bash, and your conclusion is that login is NOT setting it, but bash IS??
<1> no, it was being set before I put it in login.conf
<1> bash is ignoring the change to it, cap_mkdb is being run after the changes
<11> you have to re-login, i.e. run login, not just start a new shell from another one, i ***ume that's obvious?
<1> yes
<1> and have
<11> works fine here, you're doing it wrong ;)
<1> heh
<1> that part i'm pretty sure of. there's something non-obvious i'm missing
<9> did you save your changes to login.conf? :)
<9> you need to write the buffer to disk...
<1> lt_kije: well, they'd not show up in the saved file after a new login if i hadn't
<1> but, yeah, first thing i checked ;)
<11> set some other envvar, like FOO=BAR in login.conf, that will show if login.conf is working, and exclude the 'clobbering by bash' theory.
<12> any developers here that need an sgi o2 ?
<1> already did. it's being ignored as well. PATH is being set just fine
<1> so, there's some error in how i've got it written
<11> how are you running cap_mkdb, and have you tried simply deleting login.conf.db instead?
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