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<0> most stuff made by soekris works on i386
<0> rl(4) works on sparc64 too, not sure about the quad version though
<1> NicM: you thik it comes with the shield plate?
<0> no idea. ask them?
<1> for an ATX case
<0> or try their mailing lists
<0> soekris have a great reputation
<1> i used to live next to their shop back in 2000
<1> i am going to call the dude and ask him
<1> hold on..
<1> lol
<1> problem solved.. i am going to buy a mini-itx jetway with 3 port gigabit daughter board and a 4 port soekris card
<1> which would give me ~ 3 gbe ports, and 6 10/100 ports -- overall 9
<1> Total $314.35
<1> + lan41...
<1> i think i will wait
<2> I'm trying to setup printing on OpenBSD using CUPS. I have connected a Brother HL-1270N laser printer to my laptop's parallel port, and I think the port shows up like this in dmesg:
<2> lpt2 at isa0 port 0x3bc/4: polled
<2> However, lpinfo -v, which should list the available printing devices, only lists network devices and two direct usb devices.
<2> ..any help is appreciated :)
<0> lpinfo...
<0> where did you get that from?
<0> oh, cups
<0> christ
<0> unix printing is a big old waste of time
<3> the best way to configure cups is the kde control thingie for it :p
<0> the best way to configure cups is to delete it, buy another computer, a pII is pretty good, install windows, set it up as a print server and then use it
<3> i didn't get my hl-1430 to work on obsd :/
<2> tobiasu: eww, kde :)
<0> or, alternatively, you could give somebody qualified a lot of money and get them to write a sane unix printing system
<3> hmm, but it's possible to make postscript printers work with lpd and that crap, isn't it?
<0> i think it is
<0> you just need to invoke the weird multiple conversions in the right place
<0> and at the right time
<2> I found a ppd for it
<2> that's a start
<0> if cups don't see your port
<0> you ain't going anywhere
<0> so, that is the first thing you need to fix
<0> are you sure it doesn't see it, or is lpinfo -v just weird?
<2> one moment
<2> http://pastebin.com/853096
<2> output from lpinfo -v
<2> I've added the printer using "lpadmin -p p1 -E -v parallel:/dev/lpt2 -m Brother-HL-1270N-hl1250.ppd"
<0> okay
<0> pastebin.com is a waste of time
<0> use pastebin.ca
<2> ok
<0> or rafb.net/paste
<0> i'm not going to be able to go too far with this, i haven't set up cups in about 2 years
<0> and even when i did, it was so frustrating and ugly i vowed never to do it again
<2> fair :) anything is better than my knowledge of cups.. cups on openbsd at least
<3> usually you end up randomly changing stuff until it works
<3> ehm, "works"
<0> quite
<4> Hi, I was wondering when it useful to use make to build some project. If the project is small and console based, and the only dependency is the compiler, isn't it better to just write a small bourne script for installation?
<0> er
<0> that question doesn't make a lot of sense
<3> coolzone: make is useful if your project is larger than 0 files
<4> why not?
<4> tobiasu, ok, would you mind elaborate?
<0> whether or not make is useful is something for you to decide
<0> make is for developers
<3> coolzone: elaborate on what?
<4> on why it is useful when it is > than 0 files
<4> I just read this "article" on wikipedia saying that in some small programs shell scripting is better, as long as there isn't dependency changes
<3> a Makefile is usually shorter than an shell script, it's easy to extend, it doesn't recompile stuff that is already built
<3> etc
<4> tobiasu, thanks
<0> if you only have 1 file then you can get away with sh
<0> gmake and bsd make are incompatible
<0> which is sad
<4> oh, I dodn't know that.. so if the project is to be portable what is commonly done?
<3> autoconf :/
<3> if you keep your Makefile simple, they work with make and gmake
<3> take a look at the software on ****less.org for short Makefile examples
<0> you can be reasonably portable with a Makefile and a GNUmakefile
<0> but that is *bsd, linux, perhaps solaris
<0> otherwise you need to go auto* or try something new
<0> like pmake?
<4> thanks tobiasu and NicM, very useful information
<0> pmk!
<0> that's what it is called
<3> hmmm, i had a port of bmake somewhere for tendra, but i didn't get it to work on obsd
<0> i never tried
<0> debian has freebsd-buildutils and i had bmake running on slack and arch
<0> and they are all close enough to openbsd's make
<2> yay :)
<2> $ lpinfo -v | grep para
<2> direct parallel:/dev/lpt0
<2> just by changing it's i/o address in bios
<0> heh
<0> i completely forget what we were originally talking about
<0> sorry
<0> i got distracted by hating cups ;-)
<2> hehe
<2> i was trying to setup cups and a parallel port printer
<0> did you manage it?
<0> iirc i had to fiddle with it on the console
<0> and then use its horrible ugly http thing to finish it off
<2> sort of.. now foomatic-rip is complaining
<2> nice :| using LogLevel debug produces ~250 lines of error log for one print job...
<2> and voila! success using the correct ppd file :)
<5> the complexity of the system has finally feld God, the hard-disks must be rebuilt, yet I am not supose to be a physical entity
<5> the more time I spend in the physical the more dead I become
<0> how much crack would you estimate you have smoked this evening?
<5> NicM: 0 grams
<0> i disbelieve
<5> perhaps that is the problem, not dead enough, but totally undeadly
<5> I've come back, but now I need to die because my server had a disk failure?
<0> indeed
<5> NicM: I should just have all you do it for me
<5> I'm ready to give up on the physical world
<5> but then that's the wrong balance
<5> I need to get the source code off, before I burn all my belongings
<5> How can people live with being mortal?
<5> I should keep my life simple and focus on the crypto
<5> encrypt random noise, have one laptop
<5> no crypto hardware, no nothing, just pure theory
<0> theory?
<5> NicM: give up on Operating Systems
<5> I'm not easily tricked
<0> mepp
<0> er, meep
<0> it's gone terribly quiet
<0> i guess he turned off his wee bot
<6> that entire nameless thing was.. a tad strange
<0> someone with an eliza-type thing
<0> not even as good as eliza
<0> just randomness
<6> heh
<6> friend of mine has a markoff chain bot on his channel
<6> it's... interesting
<6> people keep feeding it random slashfic
<6> mostly gay LotR porn
<0> heh
<6> luckily, it doesn't respond unless addressed
<6> 17:58 <@jb_> Vyvyan: what is good in life?
<6> 17:58 < Vyvyan> jb_: Buggery is good in life?
<0> i can't abide bots that speak without being spoken to
<6> agreed
<6> 18:00 <@jb_> Vyvyan: it's a hard knock life
<6> 18:00 < Vyvyan> jb_: Bring your body to jelly. You will ride me all day and all
<6> the love of my life. You are the one who lights the fire of my
<6> life, and i will feed you eggs of every kind and variety, and
<6> my back is strong. You will ride me hard.
<6> also, the owner fed it a bunch of smooth-b
<5> I guess I've just been jerked around, why else would such vainity take hold?
<1> lol
<1> NicM: why did you ban him?
<0> he had his chance to **** the **** up
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