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<0> life in prison for drunk driving.. i dunno about that one
<1> criminal punishments go with the accidental manslaughter
<0> i mean for compeltey 100percent involuntary manslaughter or whatever it would be called
<0> criminal punishment yes
<1> just because you don't go to prison doesn't mean you don't serve probations and community services
<0> you were drunk driving AND you took a life
<0> but life... hell no
<2> i'm not sure i trust giving that much power to abuse to anyone, including the govt
<0> not in a society that pushes drinking all over you left and right and doesnt offer any other legal escape
<0> in some ways, we are asking for it
<0> oh i think you deserve jail time in any drunk driving accidnet
<0> death or not
<1> riznat: no, you don't get life in prison for driving drunk -- but you do for killing someone while driving drunk
<0> esepcially in a death of coures
<1> believe me, i can dig up some cases for you really quickly if you'd like
<0> someone lost a loved one becaue you wanted to get drunk, of course you need to pay
<2> it's how you define pay
<0> oh i know zip
<0> im just saying i dont agree
<1> i do
<2> pay with jail time or pay with lost $
<0> i dont think going to a bar getting a little too drunk
<0> and killin gsomeone, shouldnt be your life
<1> it's a hard thing to swallow: going to a bar, waking up in jail
<0> it should be bad for sure, but not your whole life
<1> why not? it was theirs
<2> a life for a life
<0> because, our soceity isnt built around making good choices like that
<0> im not trying to p***t he blame
<0> im still talking years and years in jail
<1> i wholeheartedly support the punishment i'm describing
<0> but, when your only "legal" outlet
<1> well think of it this way:
<2> i think the punishment should be up to the victim
<0> is drinking (if you choose to give your midn up liek that)
<0> well it causes a lot of un needed problems
<1> check it:
<2> the family of the victim can decide, "how can you compensate me for a lost life?"
<1> you get three felony strikes before being put away forever
<0> ill tell you this... if weed were legal, a lot more people would stay home and/or might get stoned in a club but there would be a hell of a lot less fights/accidnets ect
<2> that is an artificial distinction
<1> as a drunk driver who kills someone, YOU ARE USING YOUR THREE STRIKES AT ONCE
<3> people that smoke weed dont fight
<2> weed should be legal
<2> or rather, it shouldn't be illegal
<1> think about that, riz
<0> zip thats why i think its stupid
<3> decrim... not legal
<0> they make the one compeltely mind controlling substance
<0> legal
<2> it's a god-given, mother nature-provided, herbal medicine
<1> you wouldn't think so if you've seen what i've seen
<0> and then sell it to you, m,onwing full well most peopel drive themselves home
<3> growing cocaine is also illegal
<0> i mean, its your own stupid choice, i wont p*** the blame
<3> =P
<0> but they are "asking for it"
<1> oh, so you would like to blame someone else, then?
<0> it sbound to happen
<1> and it does, and people are put away for it every day
<0> exactly
<0> those same people might (and most likely would based on studies)
<0> choose a much less mind controling substance
<0> but its not avaiable
<1> if you get drunk and shoot your gun off in random directions, and kill a kid, what are the mitigating circumstances?
<1> that you're drunk?
<1> no, sir.
<2> none
<2> you must compensate the victims
<0> were talking 15-30 years in prison
<0> or life
<2> per life?
<0> thats what im arguing
<0> im saying, i do not think some kid who got drunk legally in a bar
<1> riz it's not "life without parole"
<1> it's "life"
<0> and the bar knows full well kids drive home after that
<0> doenst need to get life in prisoin for ever and ever
<1> if the person displays the components of rehabilitation as defined by their state
<0> they need to do somethign, like 15-3
<0> 0
<3> you can't get legally drunk in a bar
<1> then they have a chance to re-enter society
<0> but life in prison for a kid making the same mistake millions of kids do every week
<0> doesnt do anyone any good
<0> in jail fo rlirfe
<2> drunkenness should be legal
<1> man, yes it does
<0> meanwhile a child rapists gets out in eight years
<0> you explain that one to me
<1> oh come, now
<1> read what i just said
<1> it's not "life without parole"
<2> you should be punished for killing the child regardless of the drunkenness
<1> please scroll up
<2> it's the killing that matters
<2> you could kill them just driving irresponsibly without drunkenness
<0> what im a liooking for zip?
<1> my last 10 lines
<0> are you explaining to me the laws? or what you feel the laws should be?
<0> i know the laws can be life in prison and no parole...
<1> uh, i'm explaining the law
<1> YOU are telling us what you think SHOULD happen
<0> i know
<0> so what is the discusison hyere heh
<3> heh
<0> im spilling my IRC guts here... and im gettin glegal facts
<1> you disagree with the law
<0> BS!
<1> and i agree
<0> ok
<0> well thats fine
<0> we disagree
<0> jail is for a person to be kept out of society so they cant hurt people
<3> no it's not, fight until one of you is dead!
<0> not for the "grieving family"
<1> really?
<1> case law disagrees with you
<0> i disagree with you
<0> mr texas
<1> look up "punishment" on wikipedia
<0> so ... in your standard case
<0> the victims go into a room and say "lets burn him at the stake, that will suffice"?
<1> that's extreme
<3> not really
<3> happens in the US
<0> victims dont get to decide in a jury case
<1> victims are given special opportunities in america
<3> victims get to suggest death as a penalty
<3> well, their families
<0> so what happends when
<0> the state has no case
<0> but they have three kids and one kid wants to make a deal
<0> who decides what that deal might be
<0> ?
<1> the state doesn't prosecute if they don't have a case, bro
<0> certanly not the victims
<3> the crown/***istant da
<3> =D
<1> there's almost always a case
<0> well you know what im saying
<0> if they have three people, 2 deny it and one wants to make a deal
<1> it depends on what you think "making a deal" is all about
<0> lets say the victims says "we dont want a deal we want all of them in jail for life/death" or whatever
<0> its not going ot happen
<1> i'll tell you right now: it's not what you think
<0> cool... so you know what im thinking
<0> awesome! :)
<1> eh?
<0> heh just messing around, since your telling me what i think :P
<0> how do you know what i think it is?
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