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<0> lol
<1> because now you can seek out many like-minded experts on plato, macbeth, or whatever
<2> you can also find idiots
<1> you can read the works (usually close to free) online
<0> like SuicidJky
<1> and then find the real experts who also love shakespeare
<2> exactly
<0> yes
<2> next thing you know I am giving you answers on a test
<0> it wont cost 20 000
<2> and you fail
<0> they got competition
<1> well, you need to find a legitimate website full of literature fans
<1> you get guidances, insight, probably even higher variety and quality than the handful of profs
<1> and guess what, these guys are doing it cuz they love it
<1> it's a labor of love
<1> and you can do that as a hobby over a lifetime
<1> for close to no cost
<1> i'm sure you could also find retired professors or those who just got fed up with the bureaucracy of academia
<1> who would tutor for a fee of course
<1> overall though, higher quality result, much lower cost
<1> since basically that is all st john's is doing for you
<1> ...it's putting contact between you the students and a few experts
<1> the internet could function as that middleman much more efficiently
<1> save your 80-100K, buy some crack cocaine with it
<1> or ask riz for a hit
<1> well, just a thought
<1> i believe in self-learning
<1> as if you couldn't tell
<3> Night.
<1> well it's time to sleep, perchance to dream
<1> macbeth was 10th grade, 20 yrs ago, i don't remember enough to help you right now
<1> and that also should be a lesson to you
<1> none of this will matter in 20 yrs
<1> lol
<1> just make a living with php and databases and read shakespeare as a hobby
<2> hah making a living with php and databases isn't overly easy
<2> unless you code like phpbb
<1> no
<1> i'm trying to learn how to build apps out of .net and j2ee
<2> .net is easy
<1> i already know the backend db stuff... oracle, sqlserver, mysql, even access & xbase
<2> vb or c#
<1> well since most of my apps in the past were raw vb4/5/6 or access vba, it would make most sense to pick up vb.net
<2> ya
<1> but of course my new job requires none of any of that
<2> if you know a language like php C# is easy to pick up
<2> but they both compile out to the same damn intermediate language
<1> i am mostly databases, but what i also do is analyze and help the client figure out what they need
<1> yes
<1> housekeeping
<1> this is being the computer guy at a local elem. school... piece of cake
<2> i look for errors in the data and security vulnerabilities
<1> fair pay, good bennies, excellent working hours, conditions
<2> and write php
<2> sql injection is so fun
<1> i used to do networking in the nt4 & novell days so after a bit of AD i could do this in my sleep
<1> but i expect to spend the next year learning stuff like you just mentioend
<1> maybe even get some side gigs
<2> i had to explain to a big medical company in the states how i could pull any patient information out of there program
<2> from the ****ing login screen
<1> it's a good place to park and unwind while i learn all the new things i need to do
<1> that's ridiculous
<1> they don't even realize what they have
<1> do you work in the medical vertical market?
<2> i work for a hospital
<2> as a summer student lol
<1> i came close to learning med xcription during the slow times a few years back
<1> after the dot bombs
<1> i picked up accounting & bookkeeping too
<2> i think I am going into education when i am done computer science
<1> and i'm fanatically interested in health issues as a hobby so i learn a lot of med stuff on my own time
<2> become a teacher
<1> i love teaching ... and learning too
<1> i'm not happy unless i'm learning
<2> i like teaching
<2> hate learning
<4> CAUSE LEARNING IS POWER
<1> but my true love is languages
<1> i don't believe in the system though
<1> power of private initiative, individual learning, etc
<1> no bureaucracies
<2> when i can get drunk everynight and go to cl*** once a week....and get 4 semesters of 4.0 the system is failed
<2> but they send you nice checks in the mail for more schooling
<1> getting back to what you said earlier...
<1> umm, yes
<1> just don't go into debt for it
<1> the college system is a racket
<5> wb ohlundscu!
<1> it's govt $ funneled through you to the ed. industry
<1> i'm fanatically opposed to debt
<1> of almost any kind
<2> i like dept....my grants have paid for all my schooling
<2> but i get student loans anyways
<2> i still have like 98% of the money
<1> getting back though... a truly good programmer who is experienced in any modern language should pick up similar ones quickly
<2> once you get into programming
<2> you cna pick up any language
<1> many employers however have been burned and insist on having "x years" in advance
<2> programming is a mindset....the rest is syntax
<1> like demanding 5 years of java back in 1996
<1> yes
<2> its problem solving
<1> i don't know how i slipped through all the cracks
<2> i have yet to reach the cracks...or any real career
<1> i am re-learning my networking now
<2> still got lotsa school ahead of me
<1> with a huge added dollop of security
<1> security almost didn't matter 10-12 yrs ago
<2> just challenge your network+ like i did
<1> except for the occasional virus
<2> ppl see that and are like OMG A CERTIFICATE
<2> even though it was blindly easy
<1> i kept getting contracts in anything they wanted
<1> i was never pissy and insistent on certain technologies
<1> i did whatever clients wanted
<1> so perhaps that wasn't a good career path, a lot of it was "backwards-looking" tech
<1> but for the most part i had work
<1> and during the bubble, it was insane
<2> alot of companies aren't 100% up on tech...they need the backwards tech
<1> i didn't even use very much internet-oriented skills, like html, java, flash
<2> cuz its working for them and they hate change
<1> just basic db stuff & basic networking
<1> the internet happened all around us
<1> sort of went on past us all
<1> i often had 2 contracts simultaneously, working 6 am til midnight
<1> or all night
<2> hah ya I am a different generation :)
<1> of course i had already been in the industry
<2> my perfect job would be all night, and no pants required
<1> but there are a lot of folks who got jobs just by being a warm body
<1> can you breathe? ok, administer this domain
<1> gads
<2> hah i love those admins
<2> they end up at futureshop
<1> now that we're done homeschooling my daughter, i almost feel 10 or 15 yrs younger
<1> like i have all this time now, to catch up and learn
<1> and decide what i want to be when i grow up
<1> my biggest love is really languages though
<2> how old is your daughter?
<1> i want to learn chinese
<1> 19, going off to university... finishing up ***ociate's now
<2> wow you got kids damn near my age
<1> she did high school dual enrolled at local comm. college
<1> i am 44
<1> nobody expects that
<2> hah i turned 21 last week
<1> i feel only about 30 though
<6> oh damn Suicid
<6> thats awesome
<1> riz is only 23
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