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<0> I have my computer connected to a router with a wireless card. I have virtual PC set up on my computer, and the software aquires it own IP. Im trying to access a apache server on the actual physical PC but im having trouble.
<0> Sometimes i can connect, but sometimes, and more persistantly recently i cannot.
<1> akabrooks: Put them in the same subnet.
<1> Oh.. then your software/hardware is malfunctioning.
<1> No idea there.
<0> Well i am getting error messages on my firewall
<0> for instance,
<1> Saying?
<0> Now would the source address by the virtual pcs ip
<0> or the gateway
<0> or my external ip?
<1> Source for what?
<0> If i attempt to access my actual pc, and i see a error message on my firewall
<0> would i look to see if its reporting the source address as thta of the virtual PC
<1> Saying what?
<0> or the GATEway
<0> 078 [BDFNDISF][FILTER] Denied TCP packet. (dir = INBOUND, src addr = 64.4.21.91, src port = 80, dst addr = 192.168.1.201, dst port = 1050)
<1> OH, well, depends on what you're doing. If you're trying to contact your blood and flesh computer with the virtual one, then look for src=virtual dst=real.
<0> thats jsut one
<0> ok
<1> src addr = 64.4.21.91 -- who has that IP address?
<0> no idea lol
<0> So basically, for my personal understanding
<0> it would be the virtual pc's address
<0> and nothign else?
<1> It's not.
<0> I know that specific ip is not, but willl that be what im looking for
<1> I don't think so. Just put them in the same subnet.
<0> they both have the same 'subnet mask'
<1> Your 'real' PC has an address of 192.168.1.201, and the virtual one?
<0> real pc is 200
<0> virtual si 201
<0> is 201
<1> Can you ping 192.168.1.201 from 192.168.1.200?
<0> Ok now for instance,
<0> It wasnt working previously.
<0> Now i can ping one another
<0> But this will go away, somthing must be misconfigured.
<1> But you can't access http://192.168.1.200 ?
<0> Now i can ping both ways.
<0> at this present moment
<0> This is my issue, its flakey and unstable.
<1> ok, then it's working. See if your 192.168.1.200 computer has a firewall that's denying access.
<0> As of now there is no firewall log messages which directly pertain to a previous action
<0> Meaning, f i do somthing, and check the log immediatly it is not reflected.
<1> I'm not talking about your BDFNDISF firewall, but one installed on the computer itself. Perhaps one that comes with the operating system.
<0> I have disabaled windows firewall on both pcs
<1> Crappy network cards, buggy drivers?
<0> Does it matter that this is all wireless
<1> Well, yes.
<1> I forgot about that.
<0> Wouldnt it be kind of wierd for them both to beam out on the same card to access eachother
<0> You know what i mean?
<1> no.
<0> Do they go through the routeR?
<0> well they must, what i mean is, they share the same wireless card
<0> perhaps thats an issue
<1> See for yourself by tracing a route from one to the other.
<1> (traceroute, tracert, tracepath, mtr...)
<0> 078 [BDFNDISF][FILTER] Denied TCP packet. (dir = INBOUND, src addr = 64.4.21.91, src port = 80, dst addr = 192.168.1.201, dst port = 1050)
<0> err sorry
<0> 1 <1 ms 4 ms 10 ms 192.168.1.201
<1> They're not going through the wireless access point, then.
<0> Which is probably odd because
<0> I mean then how would they do it ?
<0> beam out and beam back on itself
<1> Which leaves us with firewall (some that you haven't checked), malware (some worms can really bug down a system's network) or the OS network stack.
<0> because i dont think its just not using the wireless card at all you know?
<0> Ok, my question being if its not going through the router then is it not using the wirless card at a ll?
<1> It's not.
<1> Not when communicating 192.168.1.201 with 192.168.1.200
<1> But of course you are when you're accessing the Internet.
<0> Ok so then how is it communicating?
<0> just internally in the PC?
<1> Through your OS' network stack, yes.
<1> They're in the same subnet, it detects this and just sends the packets to the virtual interface.
<0> Ok, what do you think about setting my wvirtual PC networks card to local only
<0> or NAT
<0> How would that, if any, affect this situation?
<1> I am not familiar with Virtual PC, but if it's anything like qemu/VMWare, then I'd just use a bridged interface.
<0> Bridged meaning?
<0> I'm sorry if this is a bit frustrating to deal with me, but i try to be responceive
<1> Well, that's the problem: I don't know what capabilities Virtual PC has.
<0> I have a choice to confine the virtual PC to a network adapter
<0> My wireless card is listed
<0> then theres local only
<0> then shared networking (NAT)
<1> If you only need it to communicate with your real hardware, then local only should work.
<1> NAT will work, too, but it consumes more resources and is really innecessary in your setup.
<0> For instance, now it doesnt work once i changed it to local, probably just because of a change in general.
<0> Shall i disable the firewall?
<1> What firewall?
<0> on the real pc
<1> Yes, disable it for the sake of testing.,
<1> You should have done that earlier, you said you did, right?
<0> windows firewall
<1> Yes... did you disable it earlier?
<0> not bitdefender however, which is disabled now
<1> Then I'd go back to your previous configuration, since 'local only' will be too restrictive.
<0> Now it says Host is unreachable on the virtual pc since i changed the network settings
<0> ok all firewalls are down, yet neither can ping eachother
<1> Check the Virtual PC documentation on network configuration, it should be pretty clear.
<0> local only is for vm to vm only
<1> I see.
<0> With shared networking, a virtual machine can access the TCP/IP-based resources that are available on the host operating system.
<1> That's what I was talking about, "bridging".
<1> Microsoft tends to hide real terms from their customers. Maybe because they underestimate them, who knows.
<0> i tried to switch to linux but it was to much work
<0> Ok so i switched it to NAT
<0> and its working, but for how long, for how long my son?
<1> I would have switched to 'shared networking'.
<0> thats wha ti did
<0> What i jsut did and it seems to be working
<0> im just curious as to how long
<1> 'Shared' == 'NAT'? Shouldn't be that way.
<0> Ok so basically now with shared, i can ping the host from the VM
<0> but not likewise
<0> on the otherside
<1> Host -> VM = nothing?
<1> Maybe the VM has a firewall? ;)
<0> External computers cannot access a server that is running in the virtual machine or any ports on the virtual machine. Shared networking also does not support networking between virtual machines or from the host operating system to the virtual machine.
<1> Yay for Virtual PC.
<0> my favoriteist
<0> do the other programs accept vhd files
<1> I don't know... I think there are VPC->VMWare converters out there.
<1> Convert other virtual machine formats such as Microsoft Virtual PC and Microsoft Virtual Server or backup images of physical machines such as Symantec Backup Exec LiveState Recovery or Ghost 9 to VMware virtual machines.
<1> http://www.vmware.com/products/converter/
<1> (free)
<0> So would you think its safe to say that virtual pc is horrid
<1> I can't give you my opinion on it since I haven't ever used it.
<1> Good luck with that, I'm out for the night.
<0> k thanks
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