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<0> if only your hard disk included a backup in the exnteded wrranty
<1> is pf a part of base in 3.0?
<2> appears to be
<2> bpf (4) - Berkeley Packet Filter raw network interface
<2> ipf (4) - packet filtering kernel interface
<2> pf (4) - packet filter
<3> altq too? ;p
<1> hehe..
<1> thanks aberrant :)
<4> heyhey
<5> ascent: sure, it just doesn't work with pf (in 3.0 ;))
<4> I don't get the whole "pf" thing.
<4> What does it offer that IPFilter doesn't?
<6> man envstat
<6> meh.
<6> Shaded: it works, just the same
<4> so why pf?
<6> why not? nothing wrong with choice
<4> ipfilter is more proven?
<6> just because it is older?
<4> older and more used, yes
<6> it doesn't matter, if you want to use ipf and ignore pf, great :)
<4> I will shift attention when one or the other gains layer 4 switching support :)
<4> ever use any F5 gear? mmm
<6> nope, only cisco and netbsd :p
<4> cisco has l4 switches?
<4> I'm not allowed to purchase or recommend cisco, for obvious reasons :)
<6> you work for a competitor?
<4> yep
<6> I thought you were getting laid off
<4> end of the year, but they want me to transfer to a different office
<7> Shaded: Foundry? Juniper?
<4> Alcatel
<7> ah
<7> cisco annoys me
<4> altho I'm not in the network access division
<8> cisco annoyed me too much, i'm getting an hp router to replace my off-warranty cisco router
<7> I just hate when the NOC ships us a 3500 series and tells us to config it, then because they gave us one with an old IOS that won't take some of the config, they say it's a bad unit and have us return it
<7> heh
<7> had one 3508 give POST errors on bootup, then after clearing it and starting it up again, it was fine. who knows
<8> dude before me bought a cisco off ebay and did not purchase support. i wanted a security patch to tide me over until i got a new cisco. cisco didn't have it for download on their site. i called them, and they were not willing to let me download it unless i got a >= 1 year support contract, though the router goes off warranty in a month or so. they weren't even willing to sell the download on a one-time basis.
<4> our core router is still an old catalyst from before alcatel bought us out
<7> our core and dist routers are cisco 12000 series
<8> hp makes their patches available for free download and lifetime phone support is included with the product
<7> they work well, but I'd like to have 192 instead of 48
<8> it may not be superior technology, but the terms are friendlier
<4> dive: our office "only" has a 5Mbit connection to teh series of tubes
<4> the office network is a bit of a mess, but it's setup that way on purpose
<4> helps us test our middleware across multiple vendors' hardware
<4> so we can say "yes it works with cisco, yes it works with newbridge^Walcatel, yes it works with ..."
<8> i think cisco's corporate policy was designed to punish those who haven't purchased a support contract, but it seems socially irresponsible
<4> answer: don't buy cisco
<8> agreed
<4> Here's a nice product: http://www.alcatel.com/products/productsummary.jsp?repositoryID=/com/en/appxml/opgproduct/alcatel7750serviceroutertcm228113941635.jhtml
<8> when I hiked Mt. McLoughlin that was 8000ft/11 miles, or 727ft/mile
<8> by the end of this summer, i want to do another mountain that will be 10,000ft/10 miles
<8> today i did 3,000ft/3 miles on iron mountain, and then another 4 mile hike
<9> Cisco's corporate policy on sales?!
<9> they have a distribution channel
<9> a network of resellers
<9> are we talking about TAC support?!
<9> because...well, of course
<9> the TAC is what you're paying for...oh and the nice color scheme...
<9> who buys gear without support?
<9> also, if you're buying ...say a reundant pair of HSRP enabled devices, they're very willing to sell you athe second unit without support
<9> or sell you the 1st one with a 4hour SLA and the other with a next business day
<8> lava_lamp: the dude before me bought gear w/o support, i never would
<8> lava_lamp: but they ought to have security fixes available for download on their web site
<9> yea you can't even talk to TAC...barely get IOS updates
<8> lava_lamp: i can't think of a good excuse not to
<9> you need to have a contract for a piece of gear to get into the IOS section for it
<8> there are /some/ ios updates, but on my particular model, not one that fixes a remote-execute bug
<9> or you have to know someone
<9> well yea and not eveything is IOS yet...like the Win32 stuff for VoIP products =/
<9> Access Point IOS is free...interestingly, enough
<9> probably due the shear volume
<8> seems like they should have tried to help me plug the hole to cover me until i got new gear
<9> CMU.edu has a good 500->600s deployed
<8> i mean, all it entails is a download, and they already have a large number of other downloads on their site
<8> it's not like i am going to call them saying "it didn't work"
<9> couldn't apply in ingress IP access list to the mgmnt VLAN interface?
<9> is it stateful?
<9> yea okay i see now
<9> yea interesting...a stateful policy rotuer with WAN interfaces
<8> i just hope that the interface doesn't get in my way, and that i can lock it down to a minimal configuration w/o too many bells and whistles
<8> from what i've read, i think it should do
<4> http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/ptech/07/10/magnetic.memory.ap/index.html
<10> www.breakbeatninja.com - listen
<11> hmm.. what's the difference between /usr/xsrc and /usr/src/x11 ?
<6> scardinal: AFAIK, /usr/src/x11 is used for X integration, whereas /usr/xsrc is the actual X sources (and so much larger)
<5> carneous: the 'reachover' build infrastructure
<11> carneous: thanks
<4> <5> carneous: the 'reacharound' build infrastructure
<12> Good morning happy daemons
<8> http://terrorpin.net/~ben/ben-loves-windows.jpg
<12> reuben: hahah
<12> nice picture..
<12> reuben: that be you?
<8> chuey: yes
<8> i have gained weight over these last couple of years, too much moving, job changing, bad weather, stress, etc.
<12> reuben: You should go on the chu diet
<12> If you're worry about it.
<8> well, i have resumed hiking, that should help
<12> Soy sauce and rice.
<8> rice i like, but i would prefer salsa to soy sauce
<12> And a pack of Yun Yan a day
<8> my basic salsa is a can of diced tomatoes, a couple of pickled jalapenos, seeds removed and diced, and a bit of vegetable boullion (sp?)
<8> and basmati rice =)
<4> what is yun yan?
<12> Shaded: Chinese ciggy
<12> http://195.2.85.140/11251.jpg
<12> They're not allowed in the US
<4> why not?
<8> because they are wrapped in human skin
<12> Shaded: Doesn't meet U.S. regulations
<12> http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.chinahorde.com/photo/421-0t.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.chinahorde.com/browse.html%3Fcid%3D22&h=99&w=132&sz=3&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=SIWj4c8uj4yo5M:&tbnh=64&tbnw=86&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dlesser%2Bpanda%2Bcigarette%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DX
<12> I smoked those while I was in China
<8> U.S. regulations say ciggies can only kill people at rate N
<12> $40.00US a pack
<8> deviate too far from N and you're killing people at the wrong rate
<12> We were lucky to even be able to get a pack of those.
<12> I love their description, "When you need the ultimate bribe..."
<12> Is anyone here running NetBSD under Virtual PC?
<3> mornign ;)
<12> MS just is offering VPC as a freebie
<12> hello ascent
<12> have a great day everyone..
<12> time to head out and enjoy the nice Northern California summer
<11> uhm.. what's a non-media hardware failure in netbsd installation terms?!
<13> A hardware failure
<5> not related to the NetBSD install medium
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