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<0> hmm
<1> if we can get the documentation better, it's a big step towards using >2TB disks
<0> yeah. In my -current, dkctl(8) mentions a nonexistent dk(4)
<0> 3.99.21 w/ 3.99.9 userland
<2> thx
<3> riz: haha. documentation. haha. (please prove me wrong!)
<4> "compiling emacs crashes -current" lol
<5> Thanks, Shaded!
<6> what a day
<1> boot device: dk2 (wd1)
<1> root on dk2
<1> huzzah
<7> wedges!
<1> yep, I'm wearing the special underwear



<5> wedges?
<8> what's the advantage to wedges? platform interop?
<5> YeahhhhI'm thinkin' I'm kinda lost here.
<1> in the near term, it'll allow us to use >2TB disks
<1> since the BSD disklabel won't, at least not with the 512B blocksize
<5> I suppose we'll eventually have 4TB disks sitting around...
<1> I could build one for less than $2k today
<1> so it's not really very far off :)
<5> "Hmmm...a controller from a seagate...just hack that li'l chip right there...and stack eight of these puppies. There we go, 48 heads..."
<1> (obviously, I'm counting raid as a "disk", here)
<1> should allow better sharing of disks among OSes, too
<8> I think I remember hearing about endian independence
<8> re wedges
<8> I really think I should blow away my NeXT slab for NetBSD - NeXTSTEP 3.0 is pretty useless
<8> hell, even 3.3 is fairly nonfunctional too
<2> anyone want to buy a NeXT slab? local pickup in bay area preferred!
<8> I wish I could get my SS5 to display video too
<2> complete package with manuals even!
<8> x86 is just not fun
<2> (at least I think it's complete. I bought it at a swap meet from a guy selling his gf's old NeXT)
<1> LeftyBSD: unless I'm mistaken, I don't think there's anything magic endianness-wise about wedges
<1> at least nothing over what's there now
<8> maybe that was something else
<1> it _is_ a way to unify disk labelling among netbsd ports
<9> hubertEF's blog entry claims so
<1> maybe it means the fact that BSD disklabels are endian-dependent in themselves
<9> strange newfs_lfs doesn't work on wedges ?
<9> newfs_lfs: /dev/dk5: neither a character special device nor a regular file
<1> try rdk5
<1> there was a change recently
<9> newfs_lfs: ioctl (GDINFO): Inappropriate ioctl for device
<9> newfs_lfs: /dev/rdk5: can't read disk label; disk type must be specified
<1> hmmm
<1> inneresting
<9> infact a plain newfs also doesn;t work
<1> ah, yeah, that might be true
<1> I think that's being worked on right now
<1> some legacy code needs to be excised
<9> so with 5.0 are we going to move completely to wedges ?
<1> I dunno
<1> would be nice, but sysinst is going to need a fair amount of work :)
<9> :)
<9> thorpej@ has some light on this at http://mail-index.netbsd.org/source-changes/2006/08/14/0034.html
<10> yeled, pong!
<11> hey
<10> hay :)
<11> http://flickr.com/photos/yeled/214792912/
<11> whie terms
<11> whote
<11> 'ophaerjfpklsDHJ
<11> p0qr39u- u2
<11> yessir.
<10> "ok"
<12> yeled: nice flickr album
<12> yeled: i liked the one of you pouring cocacola on your toes
<11> heh
<11> that's nick
<11> we hadn't showered for days
<11> on tour through europe
<10> :O
<5> yeh, yeled -- I could smell you from here when I'm driving.



<11> wolf!
<5> Oh, that's the oil refinery. Never mind.
<5> :)
<5> Gidday, Yeled!
<13> Greywolf: I finally got a sparc > 75MHz!
<5> Hawaya?
<5> Shaded: What kind?
<10> ss20?
<13> Tadpole SPARCbook 3GX
<5> nice.
<13> a blazing 110MHz!
<11> whoa laptop!
<10> pure *** tbh
<5> carn=?carneous?
<10> no
<10> I'm new :S
<5> ah.
<10> *blush*
<10> jmcneill: what did you have to pay?
<5> I should just go read the site for what's happening in NetBeastie.
<13> I managed to get it for the cost of shipping.
<10> luxury
<2> woo sparcbook 3GX
<2> I should fire mine up and get a working battery pack.
<13> I got NetBSD running on it, and on an old Performa 6360 all in the same day.
<13> Yay.
<5> Hm, looks like Dragonfly isn't the vapourware platform we once thought it would be.
<11> no
<13> I still don't quite "get" Dragonfly.
<5> jmcneill: It probably took all day to install on the Performa!
<13> Why?
<5> <voice id="Foghorn Leghorn">...that's a joke, son; y're s'posed ta laugh.</voice>
<13> It's a G3 400 with plenty of RAM and a nice Voodoo 3 2000 video card.
<13> I would hope it didn't take all day to install..
<13> Having said that, it did take me a while just to figure out how to boot the damn thing.
<13> booting from CD doesn't work, apparantly, and OF doesn't support the network card
<13> and floppy images from NetBSD 1.6+ don't work :p
<11> nice
<5> It's like the old joke of a Texan bragging to an Irishman stating, "Our state's so big, you get on the train on Tuesday, go to sleep, wake up Wednesday, have a day, go to sleep, wake up on Thursday and you're still in Texas!"
<13> so I used a 1.5.3 floppy, installed that release, and am building it up from there
<5> Irishman says, "Yeah, we have slow trains in Ireland, too, so what?"
<5> Speaking of reconstruction...my i386 server's disk took a serious dive this weekend. Reads on the disk succeed but writes fail.
<5> So I spent this morning between 9:30 and 11:30 installing a disk and reconstructing the filesystems to the point where I can limp along on a GENERIC 3.0 kernel (the custom kernel refuses to boot for some reason now).
<5> [it sends me merrily tripping back to the POST.]
<12> hi greywolf
<12> as if militaries will use gnutella
<5> where'd that come from...?
<14> sup folks
<14> love these wrestling pins
<14> too bad neither girl is hot
<14> seems you've had an interesting day grey
<12> "New 'No Military Use' GPL For GPU"
<5> I've had an interesting day for the past 6 months, 'scribe!
<12> GPU is a gnutella client, and they are saving millions of lives by not allowing the military to download pirated mp3's using GPU
<5> Huh.
<5> I thought GPU was to do with a Graphics Processor Unit. I am obviously mistaken.
<12> http://slashdot.org/articles/06/08/14/1850219.shtml
<5> pff. Yeah, whatever.
<12> what is the name for: Mr. Ms. Dr.
<12> title? salutation? not sure
<9> Title in the USA atleast
<12> thanks =)
<9> :)
<12> i am going to write a letter to my governer, and i haven't done that for over a decade
<12> guess i still need to figure out the salutation
<9> most people wouldn't have written one in their life.. so you are still better
<12> "Dear Governer Foo" in the letter, "The Honorable Foo Governer of Bar" on the envelope
<12> http://www.cftech.com/BrainBank/OTHERREFERENCE/FORMSOFADDRESS/SpkWritFrmsAddr.html
<9> nice (bookmarked)
<12> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salutation_(greeting)
<12> the evergreen link on wikipedia lacks the banner ads =)
<12> if you want to plonk cftech
<12> dsr: what's new?
<9> listening to some old music and translating the lyrics :)


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