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<0> most plants live as near the surface as a person can swim down
<0> w/o gear
<1> carneous- it's what's going on all the time
<0> mspo: it is a combination of causes
<1> carneous- no matter how many bombs we drop, enough rain will still kill us :)
<2> for someone who thinks WoW is stupid, he's spending a lot of time playing it (my roomate)
<1> MadScribe- my wow-playing roomate went on a cruise this week
<0> mspo: shifts in currents, strikingly unusual algae blooms depleting oxygen from the water, probably due to a different climate, personally i find it interesting to imagine how complex the chains of causes could be
<1> mm science
<0> so what do you think about Israel going into Lebanon?
<2> first ask what we think about lebanon kidnapping one soldier and killing others
<0> i haven't read a single thing about it, but it sure seems strange to me to call it self defence when you occupy another country
<2> i think they, much like al queda with 9/11, over played their hand
<1> israel is bored because they can't invade palestine on the weekends
<0> a kidnapped soldier is grounds to invade?
<2> israel uses the policy of illogical response, which you'd figure would work, but the problem is the nme is illogical too
<1> or maybe they needed to use up some bullets so the us government could pay to make them some more
<2> see, there's no balance of power right now
<1> or maybe they got tired of people shooting at their country
<2> israel is a gold fish in a tank of sharks
<0> mspo: Israel hasn't shot at other countries, I take it?
<1> MadScribe- it has some pretty serious teeth :)
<2> i mean, when we were thinking of where to help the jews relocate did anyone really think this through?
<1> reuben- they're hardly going to invade themselves :)
<2> yes i know there were ancestrial (sp?) claims... but umm...
<1> where to relocate was already decided in the bible
<2> please please please
<2> never mention the bible to me in a debate
<1> why?
<2> that's one of those things that drives me crazy
<0> it isn't good fodder for debate
<1> it's the reason for all this stuff :)
<2> i keep my religion over there <---- and my reason over there --->
<0> mspo: i think there is a more concrete reason
<2> the two don't mix
<0> mspo: it has to do with gold and control
<1> reuben- only a few are fighting for that
<1> most are fighting for land
<0> mspo: I actually know surprisingly little about the reinstatement of Israel
<2> hezbolla does not recognize the existance of israel
<0> mspo: did the UK do that?
<2> un charter
<0> was anyone forced off their land?
<0> or was it more like: this is your new government, have fun
<2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_United_Nations
<2> it wasn't a country with recognized boundaries
<2> or really much recognition at all as it seems
<1> well
<1> there once was a land called palestine
<1> where a lot of this originated :)
<2> problem is
<0> MadScribe: what a fascinating article
<1> which the arabs controlled for many years
<0> MadScribe: sounds like a big boondoggle
<2> most westerners are aware that well, at least imho, the palestinians and lebanonese opposition have some legitimate grounds to be rather pissed off
<3> woo anoncvs dow again?
<1> and the christians would, occasionally, take it over
<2> er
<2> aren't aware
<3> riz: anoncvs down?
<2> i still believe that large reason the US backed the establishement of, and still is the major supporter of Israel is b/c we tried damned hard to ignore the war for the first few years in the first place
<2> anywho, back to work i guess
<1> and because they're a nuclear power
<1> anyway
<1> I'm going to bed :)
<1> I'll dream of the crusades, the ottoman empire, and all that fun stuff
<1> 'night
<0> what an interesting article
<2> o_O
<2> ah, you read that
<2> do you agree, or disagree with my opinion that the palestinians have some grounds to be a bit upset?
<0> i still don't know enough about it, but my gut feeling is to agree
<2> just don't say that in public, good way to incite your jewish friends to bash your head in
<0> it seems odd that the U.N. started slicing and dicing other folks' land
<2> last time i said that I spent the entire meal trying to get my friend back to a normal volume level
<0> on cspan i saw a few jews arguing against zionism at a rally in support of lebanon
<0> i thought it was funny when he said "you cannot call me anti-semetic because i oppose zionism"
<0> semitic
<2> one more thing, before i p*** out
<2> you'll note the establishment of israel is conviently skipped over in most american history texts
<0> Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a0005'
<2> at least in all the wwII coverage, that's not mentioend
<0> i sure get tired of seeing these kinds of errors from web servers
<2> undefined error
<2> someone screwed up in a script
<0> Invalid procedure call or argument: 'left'
<2> heh
<2> anywho, bed
<0> good night, thanks for the interesting chat
<0> TITANIUM Error #14
<0> heh, it is a (R) error message
<0> Carl Messineo, that was the dude who I was talking about
<4> carn, ping?
<4> carneous http://www.flickr.com/photos/yeled/214792912/
<4> woops
<5> i'm having a problem while loading bftpd it says : 421-Could not get peer IP address Socket operation on non-socket
<1> code error
<1> that happens when you try to listen() or bind() on a socket handle incorrectly
<1> or the socket() call failed and they didn't error check it
<1> so the code just moves on
<1> and you end up with listen(<failed socket() return code>, foo, bar);
<1> trust me, I was fighting with it all last week :)
<5> any other ftp serveru recommand ?
<1> the one that comes with netbsd?
<1> there's a bunch of pkgsrc
<1> including bftp :)
<2> oi vey
<1> heya
<5> sorry mspo i was arguing with my wife :S
<6> :D
<1> manowarr- I think I'm obviously more important
<5> u are cz i need to fix that
<5> but shes a pain in the ***
<6> Can I have your wife's email address? I'll forward that quote:)
<5> she read it
<5> heh she's sitting near me
<1> now she's typing
<1> ahhhh!
<5> and i'm getting slapped for that
<6> :D
<1> manowarr- ls /usr/pkgsrc/net|grep ftp
<1> manowarr- or just edit inetd.conf and add ftp
<1> manowarr- but it really depends on your needs
<1> proftpd is pretty good
<5> i dont have pkgsrc
<5> :S
<1> okay
<1> www.pkgsrc.org
<1> browse from there
<5> ok thx :)
<5> i've searched in it i only found bftpd
<5> and installed it
<1> hmm
<1> I mean, you could debug it and try to find out where the socket call fails
<1> if you recompile with -g and attach a debugger
<1> or if you use a binary pkg.. I just don't know
<5> just one more lil thing
<5> if i uncheck it in inetd.conf
<5> will it work or i still need to install it a program
<5> ?
<1> you need to configure it
<1> but the daemon should be installed
<1> http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?ftpd.conf++NetBSD-current
<5> ok thx man
<7> wee, sparcbook is here
<8> what version sb?
<7> 3gx
<7> heh, sb1??
<8> sparc book 1
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