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<0> sorry, virtual machine
<1> indeed
<0> it would be interesting to think about what sort of things could make netbsd more usable when running on a virtual machine, but i think those things were thought of in the 80's and implemented in plan9
<0> for example having a universal namespace instead of just the local filesystem, and having a mechanism to run a java program on the host jvm instead of on an emulated jvm. i guess, basically a way to bust down the separation if you want to.
<2> i'd run netbsd native on a mac if it was 1) doable at all and 2) allowed running other operating systems in some VM
<2> actually that goes for ~all hardware
<1> hubertEF- http://www.mspo.com/anim-daemon-netbsd.mov
<0> hubertef: with xen you ought to be able to run other operating systems in some VM, but not Mac OS X or Windows NT
<1> *nix is a crappy desktop
<0> mspo: does that include Mac OS X?
<1> reuben- nope
<0> so Mac OS X doesn't count as Unix because it has Cocoa and Carbon?
<0> and a Mach kernel under those unix-like APIs?
<1> okay
<1> x11 makes for a crappy desktop
<0> agreed, although XFCE feels an awful lot like a mac these days, at least the newer version that comes in debian/etch
<1> the million crappy window managers aside
<1> it's more the surrounding desktop apps that ****
<0> do any of them get it right?
<1> hmm
<1> firefox is okay
<0> i used to think it was lame how the early versions of mozilla implemented their own widgets
<0> so even though they were using gtk, gtk themes would not apply
<0> i think they implemented their own scrollbar, for example
<1> a lot of the GNUStep stuff is good
<0> back when I was trying to have NeXT-style scrollbars everywhere
<1> GNUMail.app
<1> a lot of the rox stuff is also good
<1> the good stuff comes from people who are trying to make more than an app
<0> xterm/screen/mutt > all
<1> unfortunately, they don't get to focus on that one app
<0> gnome is trying to make more than an app
<0> so is kde
<1> well
<1> kde is okay
<0> if there's one thing positive KDE has contributed to the world, it's Konquerer
<1> just too much
<0> i like how lightweight safari is, compared to firefox
<1> so now try to run konquerer, rox filer, and GNUMail in the same window
<1> and see how they look :)
<1> s/window/desktop
<0> mspo: if you stick to all kde or all gnome, you should be okay
<1> also, gaim is bad news
<0> what's so bad about gaim?
<1> gaim-libs are good news
<1> I've never seen an uglier app
<1> honestly
<1> I hate it
<1> gimp is ugly too
<1> which is ironic
<0> i think it was modelled after msn messenger, and it does a good job of that
<1> hmm, do I try and sleep some more or go to work?
<0> mspo: i understand
<0> woke up from a nightmare and just couldn't get back to sleep
<1> I got paged twice
<1> I yelled at the second guy
<0> why yell?
<0> my DVI/USB kvm switch works, my only problem is that the leds on the front are wayyyy to bright. they light up my hallway from my computer room at night. spotlight leds.
<1> he didn't do some troubleshooting that would have had him not page me
<1> marker over them
<0> i contacted dell tech support last night because of a BSOD on a laptop that was less than 2 weeks old, on which we had installed no new drivers or extra hardware
<0> they asked me to run a hard drive test, and if that p***ed, then reinstall windows
<1> nice
<0> i said it seemed like they were just hoping a windows reinstall would fix the issue, they responded that they were sure it would fix the issue
<0> they instructed me to back up my data to CDR
<0> i said it wouldn't fit
<0> they said to only back up the important data
<1> you repeated yourself? :)
<0> i just rolled my eyes and accepted my fate
<0> we'll probably do the reinstall tonight, and if we continue to have the problem, return the hardware
<0> but less than 2 weeks, damn
<1> wow, the new ipod shuffle is -small-
<3> hmm, I've seen other flash-based players in that form factor
<3> most of them try to accommodate an lcd streen, though
<1> 1gb?
<3> 512 Mb, last time I looked
<1> I mean the new new one
<3> they're probably 1 Gb now, storage density isn't the problem with flash
<3> yeah, the clip-on thingy
<1> yeah
<1> +wireless headphones = cool
<3> I've found Cowon iAudio players to be very good value
<3> they're usable as USB m*** storage, too, so they're less of a pain to use
<1> cool
<3> all models play ogg vorbis and wmv, the larger ones also play flac
<1> cool
<0> wow, there are a lot of unfixed security bugs in the debian/etch packages
<1> too bad I have no music like that :)
<3> heh
<3> I tend to encode my own music to ogg or flac
<1> I actually have a good example of a -very- useful mac app that can mp3-ize all that ogg and flac stuff
<3> recoding usually kills the quality, though
<3> well, not for flac
<3> oh, and my iAudio G2 takes rechargeable AA batteries
<1> oh, I hate batteries :)
<0> some of these bugs aren't even filed in NetBSD's pkg-vulnerabilities
<3> I love'em :)
<0> what a world, what a world
<1> reuben- get to work
<0> mspo: this open source stuff is evil.. they promise you fun and excitement for the resume, but it's just a bunch of drudgery
<1> yeah, it's really a lot of boring work :)
<0> what i need to do is write a script to do the bulk of the work for me
<1> what work?
<0> compare the vulnerability list at debian to the vulnerability list in pkg-vulnerabilities
<1> ah
<1> mmm perl
<0> that sounds more managable, i'll put it on my todo
<1> mmm gapless playback
<0> Anandtech could not release performance numbers for the new monster, but did report they were unable to max out the CPUs.
<0> Arrrrrrrr!
<1> monster?
<0> tim the tool man
<0> http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/06/09/13/0038226.shtml
<0> "Is it just me or when I think of someone "creaming" it is a female? Males jizz, females cream."
<0> yay slashdot, where this is not scored -1
<4> what about cream pies ?
<4> or some female getting creamed ;P
<0> la la la, can't hear you
<1> <yawn>
<5> knok
<6> yah, i see you didn't stop till 3am apparently
<1> MadScribe- I was re-paged at around 6 :)
<6> i was out cold around 10:30
<6> i got up and made myself get in bed at 11 or so
<7> You two sure are a couple of wild and crazy guys
<6> living life la vida loca
<6> hmm...
<6> -life
<6> living la vida loca
<8> Shaded: next thing you know, they start ordering pink bath bubbles
<6> o_o
<6> now your just living your own fantasies
<6> since i'm miles away from any suitable watering holes all i really have to do at night is read and play games
<6> you have to experience downtown Athens to appreciate the difference
<6> like 200bars in maybe 10 blocks
<8> heh
<6> Shaded would be quite at home
<3> hmm, pink bath bubbles
<1> TGEN- http://www.mspo.com/twodaemons.png
<1> also- anim-daemon-netbsd.mov
<8> mspo: hmm, looks like the first daemon has a tumor ;)
<8> mspo: with more round I meant more head around the eyes
<8> not a higher forehead
<1> yeah, I thought he looked a little weird
<1> I also made the eyes smaller
<2> http://freshmeat.net/projects/dtc-xen/?branch_id=65758&release_id=236242 sounds ***y
<1> hubertEF- did you see my .mov?
<1> I'll work on getting it into a .gif later on
<1> but I put the netbsd flag on the back of the walking daemon
<1> I mean, in the background
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