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<0> hello
<1> hello
<0> http://craphound.com/images/liquids-on-a-plane.jpg
<2> anyone here using nbsd with mips?
<3> rspiro: i do
<2> may I see your uname -a please?
<3> i am at work, it is at home, and it isn't on the network
<3> it is NetBSD 3.0 running a configured kernel on hpcmips (mipsel)
<2> ok =)
<4> rspiro: i'm running on cobalt..
<2> what to do tonight
<2> that is the question
<5> scary sh*t
<6> hmm locked out of a netboot computer as root
<6> excellent vipw has a -d option



<7> after configuring raid on sparc64 im unable to boot...i get this:
<7> NetBSD IEEE 1275 Bootblock
<7> .Inode not directory
<7> any ideas?
<8> can sparc64 even boot from root on raidframe?
<7> the documentation says it can
<7> A bug in NetBSD 1.6.2 renders RAID-1 booting on sparc64 unusable, see this message. To use RAID-1 with full functionality on sparc64, please use NetBSD 2.0.
<7> im using 3.0.1
<8> I don't think any arch could boot from root on raidframe under 1.6
<8> bradd: are you using the example in the Guide?
<3> carneous: i seem to remember the guide saying it can
<7> yea
<7> i followed the guide
<7> At present, the alpha, amd64, i386, pmax, sparc, sparc64, and vax NetBSD platforms support booting from RAID-1.
<7> there
<8> nifty
<8> however, I have no idea what your error message means :/
<3> vax?!
<3> I believe the NetBSD IEEE 1275 Bootblock is written in forth (OFW)
<3> it is interesting to me.. a sort of first step towards reading a BSD filesystem with forth
<3> that error message comes from find-file in src/sys/arch/sparc/stand/bootblk/bootblk.fth
<3> i would take a look at your boot path, whatever that is
<7> by boot path you mean what exactly?
<3> did you use ffsv2? the faq says the ofw bootblock can only do ffsv1
<3> i don't know enough about ofw to know exactly what the boot path means
<7> nah i used ffsv1
<3> did you type "boot <somethingorother>"?
<7> yea
<3> what was <somethingorother>?
<7> boot disk0
<7> boot disk1
<7> boot disk0 netbsd
<7> boot disk1 netbsd
<3> when i was messing w/ my sparc64, i did fine the ofw section of the macppc faq useful
<3> http://www.netbsd.org/Ports/macppc/faq.html
<3> but i don't know if this will help much
<7> ill bug one of my co-workers tommorow. he is one of the sparc64 developers
<7> thanks though
<9> g'morning
<10> not quite yet
<10> :)
<9> htodd: hehe :D
<9> Ober: wtf? you are building bash ? ;)
<6> heh
<6> no just building all the pkgsrc tree
<6> ask me in 4 weeks :P
<9> Ober: wow it takes 4 weeks to build the entire thing ?
<5> depends on your computer speed
<9> hubertEF: :)
<5> when I did pkgsrc bulk builds on a ~3GHz PC, it took ~10 days. this was with like 5000+ pkgs
<9> that's actually quite fast I think
<11> oi vey
<11> this coffee is quite good
<11> when brewed correctly
<3> hubertef: pentium4's rock don't they
<5> reu: no idea, they do they job
<3> hubertef: for a good period of time, a >=3GHz PC meant a P4
<5> i'm not into hardware details :)
<3> i guess it still does
<3> if it was 3ghz, then i think you had a p4



<5> cpu0: Intel (686-cl***), 3192.09 MHz, id 0xf34
<5> cpu0: features bfebfbff<FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR>
<5> cpu0: features bfebfbff<PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX>
<5> cpu0: features bfebfbff<FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,SBF>
<5> mmm, netbsd 2.0
<3> nice, an id netbsd doesn't know
<5> that's netbsd 2.0(!)
<3> heh
<8> cpu0: Intel (686-cl***), 3389.28 MHz, id 0xf43
<8> 3.0_STABLE
<8> what do you mean about the id?
<3> i woke up from a nightmare about databases
<3> cpu0: Intel Pentium 4 (686-cl***), 2533.57 MHz, id 0xf24
<8> ah
<3> as you can see, my clock size is smaller
<3> but it gets the job done
<8> you mean because it says P4
<8> where ours just say Intel?
<3> right
<3> slashdot title: How Old is Too Old?
<3> for what? hooters? microsoft?
<8> cpu0: Intel (686-cl***), 2793.15 MHz, id 0xf34
<8> I think I;ve got more unknown than known :p
<3> that's the same model hubert has
<8> that one has -current, too
<12> reuben: Pentium 4s don't rock
<3> TGEN: why not?
<12> reuben: because they get too hot for too little performance
<3> bah
<3> they perform (for me) noticably better than p3's, and that is good enough for me
<12> not clock-for-clock
<3> but in compile time...
<12> well, compared to AMD's offerings, P4s **** compile-wise
<3> the next home system i build, whenever that is, will be amd
<12> well, now Intel has struck back with the Core 2 Duo, which does offer high IPC
<1> actually, now that Intel's stuff is price-competitive again..
<3> i used to know folks who were amd fans
<3> but their systems ran hotter, slower, and less stable
<3> this was back in the day
<3> michie1: that is an interesting observation isn't it
<3> competition keeping folks honest
<1> reuben: well, it took them quite a while to get their act together
<12> well, it was necessary
<12> AMD's prices were going up
<12> with the cheapest Athlon 64 never dropping under 100$ (before last month)
<3> personally, i may stop buying myself powerhouse computers and return to my roots
<12> so, imho the market needed the renewed competition
<1> I haven't seen the need for powerhouse computers in quite a while now
<3> my current powerhouse would work fine as an audio synthesizer
<3> thus all i have left is reading web content and books i get online, that and email
<12> hmm, I'm looking for a dual 'Woodcrest' Xeon to do my compiling on
<1> C compiling is mostly IO-bound
<12> the blackford mch has 4 RAM channels
<3> performance gain 1: no swapping
<12> and besides that, competitive dualcore Opterons 2xx are way too expensive
<3> 2: fast ram & plenty of it, 3: fast disks
<12> reuben: indeed
<3> at home i am not on step 3 yet
<12> 4 channels, 8 slots, with 4GB per slot maximum on good boards
<12> at home I basically have only step 3 ready
<12> areca hardware sata raid controller with a bunch of WD3200KS disks
<3> i have 1GB and i never swap
<3> keep good backups
<1> :)
<12> yeah, I've got DLT drives in both my alphastations
<3> i back up to CD, though i am considering switching to DVD
<3> all my computers have CD drives, except for the handheld and the vax
<12> my VAX currently has no drives at all :)
<3> my vax is slow
<3> does ati make more than just video chipsets?
<12> yeah
<3> it would benice if amd started making motherboards as well as processors
<12> they make motherboard chipsets as well


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