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<0> wow
<0> delegated is amazing
<1> delegated?
<0> really nice proxy software
<0> squid--
<1> ah ;)
<1> delegate ;)
<2> squid++
<0> ;)
<3> mspwned!
<0> word up
<3> word to big bird
<4> oven roasted big bird
<5> big bird flu
<6> ****; anyone want my job?
<6> manage a bunch of FBsd PFYs
<7> no
<7> PFY?
<6> oh come on
<6> portupgrade -Fav
<6> what elese is there to know?
<7> heheh
<6> don't know what a PFY is?!
<6> what kind of BOFH are you? >:}
<7> it's late..
<7> im// notsure
<7> ..
<6> http://bofh.ntk.net/BastardGlossary.html
<6> #4
<0> <yawn>
<7> 1oh
<7> yeah
<7> so what is FBsd
<7> re mspo
<7> and where did my auto command htingy go in irssi
<0> freebsd?
<7> freebsd is pimply?
<0> yes
<7> ok :)
<7> i hear it's also stuck at gcc 3.4
<6> who care about GCC
<6> +s
<6> here's my caring face about GCC versions=> :-|
<6> i make this face when i care
<6> :-|
<7> hahaha
<7> lavalamp++
<6> sorry
<6> coudln't resist
<6> here's what you need to know about GCC
<6> "Lava's rule of GCC versions and Linux Foaming"(R)
<6> the bigger the version number, the slower the code, and the more Linux users foam at the mouth about the next version being faster
<7> true enough
<6> that's all they talked about at Ohio Linux Fest
<6> we should get Propolice
<7> brb
<7> ok
<2> heh, pfy. happily, /usr/games/wtf knows about that one ;)
<2> mspo: you know you can use ssh -D for a proxy in a hurry?
<0> carneous- I never used -D before
<0> carneous- I needed to be able to turn on caching and some other stuff too
<8> er, how do I set up serial bootblocks?
<8> is it installboot?
<1> yup
<1> well.. at least it is so for -current ;)
<1> you modify a bootblock to make it default to serial
<7> hmm
<7> vlan fun
<9> hi
<6> oh where oh where has my ISL packet gone
<6> the IEEE took it away from me
<0> anyone using resin here?
<10> i occasionally eat raisins
<11> mspo: I use it to fix some broken plastic things sometimes
<6> mspo: i was never a fan of string instruments
<6> more of a percussion man myself
<0> okay. Nevermind :)
<12> hmm.. anyone here with an ultra10 and a quad hme card?
<11> 'qfe'
<12> or has set one up in the past?
<12> qfe it is
<0> I've used many qfe's, but never on netbsd
<12> ok, ever on an ultra10?
<0> unlikely
<12> supposedly its compatible.. but i'm seeing a very obvious limit in the length of the pci slot compared to the length of the card ;)
<12> 501-5406 is what i've got
<0> is there a plastic thing you can slide?
<11> jontow: 64b PCI cards fit in 32b PCI slots if they can handle eachother voltage-wise
<11> oh, and the other way around as well
<12> http://cgi.ebay.com/Sun-Ultra-10-PCI-riser-board-370-3197_W0QQitemZ220054826531QQcmdZViewItem
<12> thats the riser
<0> jontow- on old netra t1's, I had to remove entire bracket systems to fit the cards in
<12> http://www.eli.com/images/products/417_1_tn.jpg
<12> thats the card..
<11> that's a 5V PCI 32b riser card
<12> yeah, the slot on the motherboard is full length (64bit?)
<11> yes, that doesn't matter
<12> it'll just work without 1/3 of the card being plugged in, effectively?
<11> the card is 64b universal
<11> yes
<11> it will run on a 32b bus
<12> ok, no obvious degradation other than the lack of addressability?
<11> the card is universal, meaning, it accepts both 3.3V and 5V
<11> lack of bandwidth
<11> 32b 33MHz v.s. 64b 33 or 66MHz in the PCI 64b case, or 100 or 133 in the PCI-X case
<0> so.. it looks like it should fit
<11> but I don't think QFE's were PCI-X already
<11> yes
<0> http://sites.inka.de/pcde/pic/ultra10_4.jpg
<0> you have that sort of setup?
<12> yes, looks just like it
<0> and the qfe is too long?
<11> though, 32b/33MHz should be enough for QFE
<11> 133MB/s, whereas fast ethernet pushes 12.5+12.5MBps per port full-duplex
<11> modulo overhead and bus arbitration cycles, it should still be enough
<0> (I've put qfe's into ultra60's, which are a similar form factor)
<0> http://mail-index.netbsd.org/current-users/2007/02/08/0001.html
<0> that's pretty big
<0> how does that affect the current threading implementation?
<12> teh card itself isn't too long, just the connector :)
<12> which i suppose is now explained :D :D
<0> jontow- ohh okay
<0> jontow- I thought you were having difficulty with the form factor
<0> jontow- so it won't work?
<12> well.. i guess we shall see
<12> i just wanted to know that it was a universal card before plugging it in and frying one of either the pci bus or the card
<12> neither of which would've made me a happy fellow ;D
<12> hme{0,1,2,3,4} are all there and probed
<12> so it looks good to me :)
<12> hell.. 4 PCI slots in this machine.. all i need is 3 more qfe's and i've got a switch with more capacity than what i'm feeding the desk with now
<12> hehe :)
<11> jontow: well, the first 'gap' in the gold finger is for 3.3V, the second one for 5V, the third one for 64b
<12> nice
<11> if a card has both 3.3V and 5V gaps in its gold finger, it's universal
<12> i really oughtta be finding some more RAM for the ultra10
<12> 128MB is pretty awful
<12> still haven't had any luck with an accelerated X server on netbsd or openbsd though
<12> so i think its destined to make a much nicer router/firewall :))
<12> didn't really buy it as a workstation anyway ;)
<10> Merging newlock2: consequences on in-kernel locking, SMP and threading -> http://www.feyrer.de/NetBSD/blog.html/nb_20070208_1724.html
<0> hubertEF- do you discuss how this will affect the current scheduler activations/M:N model?
<10> i don't
<10> but the mail answers this, i think
<10> "we made the decision to move to a new threading model"
<10> maybe i should make that clearer
<0> okay
<0> oh, it's in there kind of deep
<0> the third bullet
<0> personally, I would point to it
<0> hubertEF- did I tell you about my many-many threaded box and my single semaphore problem?
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