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<0> Greywolf- is that xpg7?
<0> alright, I'm going home
<1> http://www.feyrer.de/NetBSD/blog.html/nb_20060808_0118.html
<2> hubertEF: s/rangs/rants/ ?
<1> thanks
<1> cvs update: usr.sbin/usbd/Makefile is no longer in the repository
<1> mmm, 'cvs up -A'
<3> Good evening / morning folks
<4> do we support dv capture on firewire?
<0> man, you try to write a c program and you just end up having to learn header after header :)
<5> heh
<5> it's all about the libraries man
<0> I'm noticing
<3> mspo, do what jmcneill does
<3> write it in java
<0> if I wanted to do that
<0> I'd do it in perl :)
<0> where I already know how to do this stuff
<0> usually in one line
<3> perl oneliners rock
<6> mother day today?
<6> heh
<0> not in the us
<6> ah okay =)
<0> plus, if you want to talk about needing libraries
<0> java is crazy
<0> you don't just need a lib, you need frameworks, sdk's, ide's
<0> etc etc etc
<0> netbsd doesn't have errc()
<7> glad to see folks are paying attention. :)
<8> :p
<0> hmm
<0> is there a way for me to print out a variable's value in gdb?
<0> or see a list of vars?
<0> ah, figured it out
<0> brb
<9> uhm bsd tar has no -j option ?
<10> What's this I heard about you chueying the finger of your brother-in-law?
<11> eniac_: last time I used it, it did
<0> what's tar -j do?
<9> tar: illegal option -- j
<9> tar: Unknown option. Use 'tar --help' for a complete list of options.
<9> NetBSD 1.6.2
<10> bzip2
<11> try y instead of j?
<9> ic, thanks
<1> ewww, tar. mmm, pax.
<11> ustar is pretty wasteful anyway :)
<0> oh
<0> z and j are dumb
<0> what happens when there's mattzip?
<0> mspression?
<0> how many options should they have?
<11> agreed, something like '-z gzip' would've been better
<11> of course, that's only marginally shorter than gzip -d file | tar xv
<0> gunzip -c file.tgz|tar xfv -
<0> not that hard
<11> f -, yes
<11> bah
<11> having tar individually compress every file might actually be useful for Tape ARchives, but of course, it doesn't do that.
<11> Reed-Solomon redundancy blocks would be useful as well.
<4> the fact -z works for bzip2 or gzip
<12> mspozip -9 foo.tar
<12> mspo: gzip -dc file.tgz is shorter :)
<0> dive- I don't like to have recursive dependencies like that
<13> what is this "netbsd-4" of which you speak?
<13> :D
<1> <13> what is this "netbsd" of which you speak?
<13> I think it's a framework underlying pkgsrc
<7> heh
<14> what does the abbrev. 'NB: ' mean in the source code ?
<10> Nota Bene
<14> ??
<14> good morning sub
<10> Why are you using an asian character set, dsr?
<10> I will kick you for that
<14> am i ?
<10> use ascii
<10> Yes, I see your characters appearing as question marks
<10> Morning dsr
<14> i typed two question marks, since i didn't understand the european language you used ?
<10> and the two question marks means what?
<10> a question to the question which was preceeded by no question?:)
<14> :)
<10> It means Note:
<14> ok
<14> thanks.
<10> Since chuey moved to PRC, there has been a Panda baby boom ...
<14> :)
<14> now that its 4.99.x i can get miredo working without any kludgery
<14> s/get/compile
<15> hi
<15> does netbsd have preemption?
<16> netbsd is on the side of the righteousness
<7> neologism: you'll have to be more specific.
<15> kernel preemption
<15> ability to context switch process in kernel
<14> neologism: if you mean the freebsd version of it... no
<15> ok.. to rephrase my question
<15> sys_bah() {code1(); code2(); code3(); return;}
<15> (sys_bah is a syscall)
<15> is this ***ured to be atomic on a UP?
<1> i'd think so.
<1> i haven't heared of preemption inside kernel, not even on solaris
<15> fbsd and linux do preemption in kernel
<1> you protect stuff with locks and whatnot, and add points where a kernel thread voluntarily yields the cpu
<15> preemption is about involuntary yielding cpu Id say
<1> yes.
<1> so who preempts the preemptor? :)
<15> anyway.. I dont hink nbsd has preemption.. and that explains why my code doesnt work :)
<15> hubertEF: Id say the preemptor is run in a critical section :)
<1> fwiw, there are several interrupt priority levels, which CAN preempt stuff
<15> yes
<15> I am familiar with spl stuff
<1> ok
<15> I ported nbsd compat-linux futexes and it races on fbsd
<7> hubertEF: yes, some kernels can preempt kernel code
<7> not netbsd, clearly.
<15> nbsd is protected only be spl and non-preemption?
<14> apparently solaris also does kernel-level pre-emption
<15> ha! manu commited some fixes.. lemme check that :)
<15> nothing of my interest :(
<7> "only"?
<7> There is discussion of implementing finer-grained locking in the kernel
<7> but as yet, nobody has stepped up and put a detailed plan together
<15> I saw usage of some locking primitives in the kenrel
<7> Discuss on tech-kern if you're interested
<15> yes.. I happen to read tech-kern
<15> thnx
<7> yes, there is some, but it's mostly protection against interrupts
<7> not scheduler preemption
<15> ok
<15> I mostly care about the futex stuff
<15> it doesnt seem tobe atomic on fbsd
<15> I'll coordinate with manu@
<17> anyone can help with a lil problem ?
<11> if anyone can help, I'm sure I can try
<17> :) thx
<17> well i've installed netbsd recently as a server but each 4 hours the pppoe server disconnects and connects again
<17> each time it does i have to restart nating again
<10> and you blame NetBSD?
<17> is there a way to restart it by itslef
<17> i'm not blaming bsd i find it more intresting then linux much much better
<10> Ther eis ifwatch if I recall
<17> i turned it on
<17> ifwatch didnt let the pppoe server go down when it dc
<17> it reconnects by itself
<10> What is the actual problem? You being disconnected?
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