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<0> then the yellow shield disappears, and i can only ***ume that the program crashed
<0> so i manually start the web interface and do a windows update
<0> then later on, the shield reappears and notifies me that the patches, which i already applied, have finished downloading and are now ready to apply
<0> on a lark i clicked install, and it came up with an empty window saying that everything was already installed
<0> guess up to this point i have just been lucky, or less exposed
<1> scanalert.com is such a good idea
<0> mspo: the problem is they misrepresent their service
<0> automated 3rd party scans are no guarantee of a secure configuration
<0> i agree it is a good idea, but it would be even better if it was tied to an insurance policy
<0> michie1: we pay damages if you get hacked
<0> did my client really do that?
<0> mspo: this is a test
<0> ah, i did "ie:"
<2> huh?
<2> ah, nm
<3> afternoon reuben
<0> hello dsr, how are things?
<0> documentation does not seem to be a strong point for opensolaris
<3> nothing extraordinary. :) waiting for the game to begin
<0> i'm struggling with computers, yay me
<3> dabbling with opensolaris ?
<0> no, i was reading about opensolaris while i waited for an iso image to be generated, and then burned
<0> it is a netbsd/current i386 install cd from a recent snapshot, to test for a regression in the guspnp driver, which i told someone i would do several weeks ago
<0> the longer i use windows, the more warts become apparent.. it is definitely not what i want to use at home in my spare time
<3> :)
<0> i think i'll probably end up using linux
<0> inherited a blue G3 powermac that ought to run fedora core 6 just fine
<3> nice.
<0> i'm thinking that i may never need to buy a computer again.. if i stop playing computer games, then i can use hand-me-down hardware
<3> your bank/favourite-online-store will force you to upgrade to newer hardware
<0> though the gaming rigs are good for build/compile systems
<0> dsr: i do not use online banking
<0> i do use online stores, but they will never crowd me out
<0> amazon.com, newegg.com, and cdbaby.com will always work with mozilla =)
<0> wait, no more newegg =)
<3> but mozilla's h/w requirements keep changing too
<0> but i will always get new hand-me-downs
<3> :)
<0> we'll see how long that lasts
<0> dsr: when do you get married?
<3> in a few weeks
<4> reuben: yeah, the newest multicore chips -> make -j goodness
<0> TGEN: along with debugging headaches
<4> true
<0> TGEN: but if you just use some no-brainer binary distribution and work around the rare quirks, then you don't need a hot rod build machine
<0> i was reading redhat's local patches for perl5 the other day
<0> on some of them i thought "i really don't see the point of this patch"
<0> i mean, it worked fine for me without the patch, and the patch didn't really appear to do much
<4> reuben: a what?
<4> oh wait
<4> you're talking about some lunox
<0> i tihnk that pkgsrc would do well to document its patches
<0> "this patch is here because..."
<0> i guess that is what commit messages are for
<0> at least there is a revision history
<0> it does seem like pkgsrc has fewer "vanity" modifications
<0> for example, Debian including pointless script collections with ircII, which introduce hardcoded ansi colors that don't work on unusual terminals
<0> or advertising "DEBIAN!@!@#@" in version strings for programs like mutt
<0> TGEN: redhat/fedora/centos lunox aren't all that bad
<3> isn't it sane to include those version strings ? when some upstream developer looks at some bug.. he can know that its a patched version
<0> dsr: ideally there should be as few local patches as possible
<4> reuben: they're all lunox to me
<4> reuben: slackware and argh are supposed to be less bad
<3> argh ? is that a new distro ?
<0> slackware + pkgsrc are a decent combination
<4> arch
<3> aah
<0> i forget what it was, but something about arch turned me off
<4> reuben: anyways, I don't purposely run Lunox, except that it's the only thing running on my AP right now
<0> dsr: as in my example of debian including colorized scripts with ircii, there is no call for that
<0> dsr: it should just be as plain and vanilla as possible, like pkgsrc does with ircii
<0> it's not netbsd/ircii vs debian/ircii.. it should just be ircii
<3> reuben: but debian makes no guarantees on the pristineness of the sources
<0> dsr: it almost seems like they go out of their way to make sure you do not get pristine source, except for the _orig distribution files
<3> In the XFree86 days.. their X used to be a lot different from david dawe's code
<3> reuben: they make changes to make the software 'convenient' for end users..
<4> which says enough in my book
<0> debian.. convenient..
<3> :)
<3> sometimes the changes are just a political statement to ***ert the GPL principles
<5> hey
<5> having a problem startin samba from rc.d
<5> scripts look fine
<0> i think cvs/cvsweb are an under-rated feature in netbsd
<5> running it manually looks fine
<3> personally, i make my own debs when i don;t like the native debian package.
<0> or for bsd in general
<5> jus usin rc.d dont work
<0> i used to like debian for it's non-commercial volunteer nature
<3> i use it only because it is convenient to me. just a nice compromise for my uses
<0> that is a good reason, though you didn't need to justify it to me =)
<3> :)
<0> you may practice evil in the confines of your own house if you wish
<3> are you hinting debian=evil ? :)
<0> debian, emacs, home-rolled irc clients, need i say more?
<3> haha
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