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<0> what's wrong with RMD160?
<1> slow?
<0> hardly the pkgsrc bottleneck, really
<1> especially on vax :D
<2> uggh
<2> stupid hangover
<3> i dunno i'm working on pkgsrc'ing an IDS package and they offer a variety for hash functions
<2> which IDS?
<3> samhain (sah-wein)
<2> I thought that was a band :)
<3> is it?
<3> are they celts?
<2> http://www.google.com/musica?aid=dSVrKwHeIyL&sa=X&oi=music&ct=result
<2> they're metal
<3> yea apparently!
<3> must be scotish
<3> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1597490180/sr=8-2/qid=1151767116/ref=sr_1_2/102-0674171-4019343?ie=UTF8
<3> hopefulyl a second edititon soon
<3> are we still cool with pkgsrc writing to /var/
<3> like, /var/lib/samhain for the file system signature database?
<3> frankly i think it should be /usr/pkg/etc
<4> I guess so, like, mysql and bittorrent do by default
<3> [rubs chin] yea, but FreeBSD does it too, which is what scares me
<5> MHO is that pkgsrc should only write to /usr/pkg.
<3> /var/lib is linux ****...i got into it with the ****toids at Linux-HA recently
<4> yeah, nasty stuff
<3> Another install hierarchy question:
<3> Regarding the default "hb_libdir = $prefix/lib/heartbeat" --
<3> $prefix/lib/heartbeat seems like the dumping ground for all of the new V2
<3> architecture binaries. There are daemons, scripts, XML DTDs, Images,
<3> utilities, tests, etc.
<3> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-ha&m=114770757914552&w=2
<3> and the the famous reponse: "> libexec doesn't exist on any machine I know of. It's a GNUism, AFAIK."
<0> mmm libexec
<6> Good morning
<7> Good morning, chuey
<3> i guess this begs the question...what is a "state dir" and where does it belong?
<3> i tend to think of /var/run for PIDs
<6> Good morning sub
<3> i'm not buying that databases belong in anything named "lib"
<5> hey chuey
<5> state dir as I read the thread refers to a directory that contains files that are modified during runtime and hold program state.
<5> /var/run.
<3> but they don't quite qualify for "etc/", but...of couse, i suppose /etc/mtree is the equivilant
<3> this is a tough one...not sure i'm prepared to take it on
<5> wait
<5> why is /etc/mtree a state dir?
<3> well this is persistent data...file system signature database, not just run-time
<5> I don't think that counts.
<3> it's not, it's the closest analogy to the type of data we're talking about
<5> /var should be able to be mounted MFS without problems.
<3> yea but what if /usr/pkg is an NFS shared mount
<3> then /usr/pkg/etc/samhain/* could potentially be different
<5> could be different, meaning the different mounters would need a different config?
<3> yyyyeeeppp
<5> that's why /usr/pkg shouldn't be the export.
<5> you wouldn't expect to be able to export / and have other machines share it, right?
<5> I view /usr/pkg as a root for all user-installed (non-base) programs.
<3> i guess if you have ${PREFIX} you export to a group of identical machines they can all presume to have the same config
<3> /export/pkg.{CL***}
<3> i'm just trying to think ...you have the option to PGP sign these file system signature databases to prevent tampering...is there anything host-specific there?
<3> i'm thinking no...
<8> lava_lamp: hmm, BIND zonefiles are in /etc/namedb
<8> lava_lamp: and depending on the config (slave zones) they can be 'generated' as well
<3> yea but ISC gets special consideration >:}
<8> heh
<7> No
<3> well technically BIND should be chroot'd and /etc/namedb is a symlink
<8> default on NetBSD is different though
<8> :)
<3> there are too many considerations for BIND...
<8> but I think a similar philosohy applies here
<3> we're talking about a relatively immature project
<3> immature meaning small user base, development state, single developer etc
<3> not code quality, etc.
<7> netbsd?
<8> hmm
<3> la-samhna.de/samhain
<8> sub: new Ben & Jerry's flavour, you should try it
<3> oh jeeze
<7> :) tgen
<9> buh. maybe running my pbx in a domU wasn't such a great idea. :/
<3> asterisk or openpbx?
<9> asterisk
<9> we'll see if it works any better without the lkm
<9> which I wasn't actually using anyway
<3> yet another linux-kernel-specific optimized project
<3> or is there a big freebsd/solaris presence?
<2> ha, libexec is a gnu thing
<2> that's funny
<2> although, ****toids at linux-ha is pretty funny too :)
<2> I'm running heartbeat on solaris and don't really care for it
<2> lava_lamp- /usr/pkg/etc is a pretty normal nomenclature
<2> I could just see myself getting into a big fight over file locations like libexec
<5> what is heartbeat?
<5> ah, got it.
<3> mspo: breaking bear bottles? i'll swear on your behalf
<3> "You just don't fsck with a mans file system locations...you just don't do it; off limits."
<2> lava_lamp- linux tends to use crazy file layouts in general
<2> ever seen a debian-installed apache2?
<2> --insane--
<2> it's like they try to adapt the rcx.d/init.d symlink system to every app possible
<5> this is one of the coolest things I've seen in a while: http://music.metafilter.com/mefi/38
<5> "The music you are hearing was programmed in notepad using a TurboGrafx 16 (PC Engine)."
<2> I wish star fox ds was out
<2> aww poor england lost
<5> hrm
<5> my dlink 802.11g usb card is coming up as ugen0 - what do I need to do to get it treated as a network interface?
<2> does it show up as unconfigured in dmesg?
<10> see if the card is actually supported
<2> you may need to add the u version of whatever driver it is to your kernel
<2> (ural, for example)
<2> ag***i is about to lose
<2> some my indian coworkers were explaining cricket to us the other day at lunch
<5> hrm
<5> ugen0 at uhub0 port 2
<5> ugen0: D-Link product 0x3701, rev 2.00/2.03, addr 2
<5> that's all that's in dmesg
<2> are you sure there isn't an not configured line?
<5> nope
<5> here's what's in syslog (logging *.info):
<5> Jul 1 11:21:30 media /netbsd: ugen0 at uhub0 port 2
<5> Jul 1 11:21:30 media /netbsd: ugen0: D-Link product 0x3701, rev 2.00/2.03, addr
<5> 2
<5> Jul 1 11:21:30 media /netbsd: ugen0: D-Link product 0x3701, rev 2.00/2.03, addr
<5> 2
<2> that just means it sees a usb device
<2> but you're missing the actual device driver
<5> can I modload it?
<5> I'll try wi
<2> that's unlikely :)
<5> crap.
<5> ok
<2> but go for it
<2> but yeah, try to figure out which driver it should use
<2> if you can figure out which chipset it's using
<10> aberrant: what is the make model of your card ?
<5> dsr: it's a D-Link DWL-G120
<2> there's a cat in my back yard with one green eye and one blue eye
<10> mspo: india is doing great at cricket today
<10> in Jamaica
<2> dsr_- cool
<5> ok, gonna boot into generic to see whether that works.
<2> generic_laptop is a good thing to try too
<2> I'm watching tennis
<2> probably ag***i's last match
<10> he lost that
<10> you are probably watching a delayed telecast
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