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<0> what's with the crusade the last couple days dude?
<1> GenNMX: first and ONLY advice i ever got OR needed was... RTFM!
<1> gauze: days? i been on this same crusade for years...
<2> awol can a " cluless moron " from Europe / Skandivavia get some help ????
<1> New_kid: sure... what ya need?
<3> awol: A lot of manpages ****. What people really need is the ability to properly Google.
<2> right, ir run Fedore Core 6
<1> GenNMX: rtfm is an artform that takes practice like anything else... i love man pages
<3> I've been thinking if I could fly a "How To Use The Internet" cl*** at my local Community College.
<2> I wget a Irssi client for it and cant get it to ./configure
<1> New_kid: yum is the package management tool for fedora... yum install irssi at a root prompt will install a command line irc client called irssi
<1> New_kid: DONT compile anything on a fedora box!
<3> awol: Some manpages do rock, some are in geek speak.
<2> awol okay then
<3> s/geek/insider/
<1> New_kid: you'll just end up borking your system and redering it useless
<0> manpages are for reference for epopel who already understand "unix language"
<1> New_kid: use yum
<2> explaine yum then
<2> I never used yum
<0> yum is fedoras package manager
<1> New_kid: yum install blah <-- to install blah
<4> stfw too...
<3> gauze: Not really. For instance, man yum and man apt-get are both pretty intuitive.
<0> a package is a piece of software that is already compiled and is ready to use (but might require configuration)
<4> search the ****ing web
<2> run from console ??
<1> New_kid: yum search blah <-- to search for blah
<1> New_kid: at a root prompt...
<1> New_kid: there's a gui for yum so it's all point & click
<2> yepp got it
<0> GenNMX: ok prepend "most " to what I said
<3> New_kid: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=fedora+yum+howto&btnG=Google+Search <-- bazillion walkthroughs and FAQs
<2> :) thx GenNMX
<1> !wtf fedorafaq?
<5> fedorafaq is The unofficial #fedora faq located at http://www.fedorafaq.org/
<1> so... have i offended enough people yet?
<1> anybody feel left out?
<3> Throw in some racist comments. "New_kid must be a Mexican, goddamit I hate them."
<0> he's danish
<1> nah... i'm not rascist
<3> gauze: All people in .dk are Danish?
<0> who are part of the master race
<1> i treat everybody equally as morons
<2> GenNMX nope im from skandivavia, Denmark
<0> I have been to denmark there are white people and turks there basically
<3> New_kid: It was a joke.
<1> i abhor rascism actually
<0> the turks sell falafel and kebap
<3> Turks! There are terrorists in Denmark!
<3> Denmark terrorizes the world with its scarily-good bagels.
<1> New_kid: at least your prince has good taste.. married a pretty aussie chick
<2> this yum, is something i nedd to install also ??
<2> awol sure did
<1> New_kid: no. yum is standard fedora
<2> ok
<1> New_kid: if ya getting command not found errors then ya did su wrong
<1> !wtf su?
<5> I'm sure su is the switch user tool and the correct way to do so is to use `su -` and NOT just plain su, so you get all root's environment and paths! So no more `Command not found!` errors! Of course you can do `su - user` too so rtfm! man su
<2> no no im su
<3> I'd think Fedora would have sudo setup properly for the account made during installation.
<1> New_kid: just plain su is wrong
<1> New_kid: ya need to do --> su -
<1> New_kid: as the - is very important
<1> !wtf dash?
<5> The correct way to gain root privileges is `su -`, and DON'T forget the dash: `su -`, NOT `su`. Omitting the dash will condemn your soul to eternal damnation and suffering.
<1> GenNMX: does fedora use sudo now? i gave up on fedora when FC2 came out
<2> when su, i did su - but no p***word for it ???
<3> awol: I always thought they were trying to contend as a user-friendly enviroment, like Ubuntu.
<1> New_kid: sounds wrong to me
<2> then im su - now
<3> I wouldn't touch Fedora with a ten-foot pole, myself.
<3> New_kid: If you're already root, you don't need a p***word to su into any account.
<1> GenNMX: and SELinux is user friendly? come on...
<2> okay
<6> re
<3> New_kid: Type in 'exit' to end your su.
<2> then yum install irssi-0.7.10
<2> hmm not 7 ,- 8 it is
<1> New_kid: just the package name will suffice... version numbers not required... it'll grab the latest possible
<1> yum install irssi
<3> awol: SELinux? Is that the RedHat kernel?
<3> Oh, Security Enhanced.
<0> lozl
<1> GenNMX: no. it's security enhanced linux... extra ACL features
<7> nsa
<2> its running now
<2> :)
<3> awol: So was that sarcastic? I couldn't tell.
<8> -_-
<0> you are well on your way to being a sysadmin, new_kid
<1> GenNMX: well i find selinux a pita most of the time... but woteva...
<2> gauze hehe, naaaaa
<0> does fitta mean the same thing in danish as it does in swedish?
<2> nope
<3> awol: I don't get the connection between "I thought Fedora Core was suppose to be user friendly" and "and SELinux is?"
<2> gauze fisse = fitta
<0> SeLinux is not user friendly
<0> it causes problems with vague errors
<0> luckily there is google.
<0> and 1538 with the same problem
<0> ^people
<3> I don't see the connection between Fedora Core and SELinux.
<1> and lots of confused newbie questions about selinux to cloud the search results
<0> I
<2> cant see when its finished yuming ??
<0> I'm a selinux n00b
<1> GenNMX: fedora adopted SELinux around FC2
<3> gauze: Your existentialism is quite profound.
<3> awol: As their main kernel, or just an optional?
<1> New_kid: first run takes a long time
<1> New_kid: is why ya need to do it frequently and often
<0> and when you do it, do it with a lot of vigor
<3> I mean, I always thought Fedora Core was desktop-oriented. It's all pretty and kinda bloated.
<1> GenNMX: they keep reinventing the wheel afaict
<3> Feh, they should have just branched if they wanted to do that.
<2> now its finished
<2> then what
<7> type: man irssi
<2> nothing
<2> man irssi, dont work
<7> no man files? hmm oh well, then type: irssi and use the help
<3> Manpages on some distros are separate.
<2> -bash: irssi: command not found
<7> exactly what did you type into yum?
<2> yum install irssi
<7> that should do it. any errors?
<2> no
<3> Fedora Core and SELInux...Irssi can leave you open to many different forms of attacks!
<2> 1 file installed
<2> no not file package installed
<7> odd
<2> ?
<2> installed to where
<7> are you still root?
<2> jepp
<7> type exit
<9> ctrl-d
<7> either way
<2> jepp
<9> :D
<8> -_-
<7> now try irsi
<7> irssi even
<2> no same
<2> -bash: irssi: command not found
<7> doesn't look like it installed then
<2> but where do yum save the package ??
<7> should be in /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin depending on distro
<2> it failed also
<2> did a new yum
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